Such stories pop up daily in the Standard-Examiner
A weekend invitation to compare and contrast the intellects of the very brilliant Peter Metcalf and "Dumb Curt"
We find several items of particular interest to Emerald City citizens in this morning's Standard-Examiner -- and in earlier articles.
First is this Std-Ex "blurb," appearing on the left sidebar of today's "Top of Utah" section.
Boss Godfrey has put his free TeeVee channel propaganda project on hold... until AFTER the election. As always, the sleazy Boss Godfrey sez he's just trying to be fair, and is not the least bit concerned about possible Utah Elections Code Violations or other legal repercussions.
Next... we find this most excellent Std-Ex letter to the editor today.
Here is the original Peter Metcalf Op-ed piece which letter-writer Woolsey mentions, arguing primarily that outdoor sports companies should ALWAYS stand for protection of the natural environment.
Here is the brain-artery-clogged Curt Geiger Std-Ex retort, which DENIES Mr. Metcalf's assumption that money-grubbing "ski companies" should ever act to protect such natural resources as our pristine Mt. Ogden Park "crown jewel."
We've never had a direct discussion on Weber County Forum about these two recently- juxtaposed op-ed viewpoints. Perhaps its time that we do so now, as we drop into another hot Utah weekend.
Poor mind-numbed gondolist Curt (a purported graduate of Bonneville high-school BTW -- his highest apparent educational life-achievement) wanders off (and embarrasses himself publicly yet again) in his personal attack on an actual UTAH outdoors company founder and CEO, Mr. Metcalf. Unlike Mr. Geiger, Mr. Metcalf is an actual outdoor sports company owner/entrepreneur.
Geiger is, of course, a mere COMMISSION SALESMAN for a Japanese company with a French name, unlike Metcalf, who actually founded and built his OWN company here in Utah.
Dumb Curt then inexplicitly launches into the ridiculous "suggestion" that all the "ski companies" who have as yet "located here" in Emerald City have done so... 'because of the "Godfrey gondola vision.'"
After that, the poor numbskull rambles into a parochial and sophomoric criticism of Mr. Metcalf's very awesome "Black Diamond Equipment, Ltd." -- mainly because Mr. Metcalf's company has the audacity to maintain its headquarters in Salt Lake City (and not Ogden... [nor Osaka.])
Update 6/30/07 2:40 p.m. MT: One of our gentle readers has already sent us some "instant analysis," via a comment, which we've earlier uploaded to our storage site, and now link here.
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49 comments:
Here's some
additional information on this:
- Curt Geiger is an Ogden native. I know people who attended school with his children. Several of his immediate family members continued to live in Ogden and maintain residency during the time when Curt worked in New York and Colorado.
- According to an interview with Mr. Geiger that runs ad nauseam on cable Channel 17 (where content is solely controlled by Mayor Godfrey), the reason Descente located in Ogden is affordable rent and proximity to an EXISTING world class ski resort. Mr. Geiger even goes as far as mentioning comparison figures for rent for his old location in Colorado.
- Many of the popular trails in Ogden's foothills were not here in 1990, or have been vastly improved upon in the past 15 years. Jay Hudson, the US Forest Service, Ogden Trails Network, Ogden City, Weber Pathways, the Ogden Sierra Club and other organizations have worked tirelessly to create the wonderful trail system we have today.
- Chris Peterson continues to allow public access on trails not out of the kindness of his heart, but because that access is most likely an enforceable public easement. As far as being a good neighbor, that is questionable, as the Weber County property taxes on his parcels in Malan's Basin have been delinquent.
- Amer Sports decided to locate in Ogden largely due to state incentives totaling more than $7.9 million to lure their operations to Utah. I have been told the value of the Ogden incentive package totals nearly $4.2 million- including country club memberships and season passes to local ski resorts for their executives, as well as naming rights for the recreation center built with taxpayer dollars. Add that together and you have a $12.1 million dollar reason to move.
- Investors are buying property near the Ogden River in the River Project Redevelopment Project. I am not aware of a single new property owner actively involved with cleaning up the actual river corridor. Beyond that, I have participated in many volunteer clean up activities on the Ogden River sponsored by various community organizations. I am not aware of any new property owners that have participated in the above mentioned activities.
Gentle reader: you make several interesting points. I like what you have to say about the existing trail system as compared to that of 15 years ago. I have lived in Ogden a few spring and summer (and ski) seasons, and I can remember hiking on trails before development and trail creation/maintenance began. Being able to hike and wander the trail or creek bed without running into another human all day long. It was about 15 years ago, I decided to visit the same trail and was practically overrun by mountain bikers and boy scouts.
Not that I'm dissing trail development, but other than keeping the trails safe for hikers, development should be kept to a minimum. Who would hike trails that meander through neighborhoods of actual homes and cars, roads and people?
Mr. Geiger may have been raised in Ogden, but I agree that either his memory is suffering from some sort of ailment or he is someone's puppet, (or a complete moron, as Rudi hints at) to rant like he did in the paper the other day.
I know we can't stop progress, nor can we keep people from discovering our favorite secret hiking and camping places, but we can preserve those places - by the rampant volunteerism that is on the loose right now, and more getting involved. They have started limiting the number of boaters on Pineview (a few years too late, maybe) - do we want it to come to the point of having someone keep count and eventually barring people from enjoying a peaceful (though crowded) hike in our beautiful foothills?
Maybe someone has gotten to the mysteriously and conveniently absent Peterson about his plans for the land in "our" foothills. Your mention of public easement bears some scrutiny and pondering; it is nice to have new ideas entering the big picture.
May the beauty that is Emerald City remain in the hands of those who would be honorable stewards, and not get-rich-quick schemers who will be soon gone to leave us with a huge mess.
This passage in Mr. Geiger's Op-Ed piece struck me:
"One troubling thing that I notice is how much graffiti there is on the rocks in Ogden’s 'wilderness.' One thing that gives me great relief is my appreciation for the fact that a significant amount of the 'wilderness' trail that I walk on is actually located on private property and that the private property owner, Chris Peterson, has beautiful plans to clean up the graffiti, improve the trails and enhance public access to his 'wilderness.' "
Like Mr. Geiger, I find the painted grafitti on the rocks troubling.
It struck me this morning, as I hiked from the 36th Street trailhead to the 29th Street trailhead on the BST, that I didn't see much significant difference between private and public lands in the number of painted rocks.
Perhaps Mr. Geiger is confusing the trail markers with vandalism?
You gotta ask yourself, which is uglier, with a more negative impact on the environment:
1. A rock that some poor dumb high school student painted;
2. Dozens of identical sprawling McMansions, crawling up the hillside to meet a faux Tyrolean village with no sewer service?
Aw c'mon,
Didn't you get the memo?
Construction gondola cars will run parallel with the godnola cars to the Tyrolean Trysting Place!
Those construction gondola cars will carry human poo poo DOWN the mountain side over the heads of the trail walkers below...then traverse the route of the TOWN gondola...over Harrison, up 23rd to the sewer plant where the foul cargo will be dumped!
Now, isn't that an efficient and fine "infrastructure" solution?
You naysayers and obstructionists just don't have vision!
We, on the 9th floor, and in the planning depts haven't quite finessed the finer points: Will the poo poo cable cars bang into the passenger cars gliding over Harrison and up the mountain to the Tyrolean Trysting Place or will Mister Peterson build parallel cables along Harrison?
The planning dept and Uncle Montgomery and the Sniff police are working on deodorizing the poo poo cars so that, on especially hot and windy days, the faint hearted don't actually pass out while passing the poo poo cars!
Meanwhile, keep the faith you naysayers. Pray to be pure so that you may be blessed with visions.
These visions will keep Ogden the talk of the country! First in the nation to have poo poo cars gliding over the citizenry. Don't go outside on windy days...those construction poo poo cars are a tad unstable.
TLJ:
Interesting post. The city has people working on new trail design, and they're talking to various groups with an interest in trails [I think the in term is "stakeholders"] about ideas for new trails, eliminating un-authorized duplicate trails, etc.
And yes, there are a lot of people out on the trails these days, especially [but not exclusively] the more popular ones like Waterfall. I'm of two minds about that as a certified card-carrying tree-hugger [or, to use what I'm told is the Mayor's preferred term, "bark-licker."] I like the idea of a lot of people --- especially young people --- getting out on the trails, into the forests and meadows of the Wasatch. The more of them who are hooked on trails as recreation, trails as fun things to do on their own, with groups, with families, with boy scouts, the better chance we'll have of preserving the trails from the "develop everything and pave the rest" mindset of some in the Utah legislature.
On the other hand, I, like you, remember [and miss] being able to walk in the forests for hours at a time [other forests, but same idea] when I was younger, meeting at most one or two others. Sometimes none.
But if Ogden is to re-brand itself as the gateway to a variety of outdoors experiences, as a kind of "Base Camp Ogden" for skiing, biking, hiking, climbing, kayaking and so on, we're going to have to expect more, and if it works, many more, people out there for us to run into.
One partial solution might be to have designated some of the wilderness above Ogden between the Weber and Ogden rivers as a Federal Wilderness Area, something some local Sierra Club members and others are advocating, and have been for some time. That's a federal designation, but as a practical matter, it isn't going to happen without Ogden City government's active endorsement.
Wilderness areas serve as a rule two purposes at once: they draw people looking for wilderness from outside the state --- proximity to a wilderness area is a reason to visit someplace. Was for me when I was young, unmarried and traveling around each summer with my dog and VW Superbeetle looking for interesting places to hike and camp. And, while drawing people, they preserve something approximating a wilderness experience for those after it.
We're never going back to the days of wandering the west slope trails without meeting anyone else, TLJ, and if Ogden is to be an outdoors destination, I guess we really don't want to. But a wilderness designation for some of the Wasatch range above Ogden between the rivers might serve both goals... preservation and tourism.
Interesting post, TLJ. Chewy. Thanks.
THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE.
-Curt Geiger, March 2007
Ask Curt Geiger why he came here.
-Curt Geiger
Another funny thing about high-school-educated, salesman-guy THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE: He told me, in no uncertain terms, that the $20 million urban GONDOLA shortfall would come from $35K GONDOLA car sponsorships. Isn't that laughable? That's the "Private Investment" of which Teeny, Small Liar Little Matty Gondola Godfrey speaks. THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE.
Curm and TLJ:
The best way to avoid crowds on the trails is to go out at unpopular times. Of course, the popular times are popular for good reasons.
Wilderness designation is an excellent option for the west faces of Mt. Ogden and Lewis Peak, above the Bonneville Shoreline Trail. This would keep bicycles off the steep narrow trails where their use isn't safe or practical anyway. It would also probably prohibit very large group activities. But it wouldn't prevent a hundred people, alone or in small groups, from hiking the same trail on the same day.
Most importantly, wilderness designation would prevent the construction of new roads which would ruin the trails for everyone.
Obviously most people wouldn't want our mountains entirely designated as wilderness. So it's a question of balance. In Salt Lake County they've found a pretty good balance with four ski resorts and three designated wilderness areas. (Personally I'd prefer a little more wilderness.) Near Ogden, there's very little wilderness-eligible land left and if we ever want to have any wilderness at all, we'd better act quickly before it's too late.
Regarding graffiti painted on rocks...
In general, the easier it is to access an area, the more problems you're going to have with graffiti.
The worst graffiti problems on the trail system are at the trailheads and very close to the trailheads. The problems tend to be worse on privately owned land than on public land.
Waterfall Canyon has a problem with graffiti not because it's "wilderness" but because it's a very popular destination that has been neglected by the property owners (first the Rasmussens and now Peterson) for many decades.
Another tidbit about THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE, community savior and apparent fan of onions: He said, When Wayne Peterson builds his fantasy castle -- guarded by dwarves -- in Malan's Basin, Wolfgang Puck is going to open up a restaurant there. Wolfgang Puck ... THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE said he had dinner with the famous chef himself -- himself! -- and it was going to happen! Funny thing is, I asked THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE what would happen if WSU told Wayne Peterson to jump in a lake, which they did, and he replied: "Then it won't happen." OK, Ski and Onion Boy, back off, don't threaten the good people of OTown with the removal of your six jobs from Bernie Allen's (and you are such a godforsaken jackass, I don't even have the words) building. Get out, Geigers, because Teeny Matty is gonzo. In a landslide, like you said.
More about THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE? He told my dad and several other locals that Wayne is just waiting for the Holding family to defrost the billionaire and put him in the ground, then he would release Snowbasin to Wayne, thereby providing the Wall to Snowbasin GONDOLA connection; problem is, my sources say the near-death billionaire studied the issue from 16 different angles and concluded it's not only infeasible, the U.S. Forest Service WILL NEVER ALLOW IT. Much like UDOT never allowing a circus ride up Harrison. The whole thing's a joke ... Unless you're a self-deluded chief of Descente named Geiger who eats a ton of onions.
More? THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE took it upon himself to harrangue patrons of the Mt. Ogden GC last summer, telling them how Wayne Peterson is going to "improve" the course and "save" the area, because, according to Teeny Matty, the GC loses $1.87 per year, per residnet. Oh no! Go onions! Go onions! Save us from ourselves! Wayne Peterson will never do shit but steal our land and ruin it. And remember that this election season, OTown voters, because Gondola Godfrey's got to go! Gondola Godfrey has done nothing with our money for two years except speak about how his GONDOLA is going to save our town. We don't need saving; tell him, with your vote, that his incessant pandering for the sale of our land for less than pennies on the dollar to Godfrey's gay lover is not acceptable. (And, Geiger, I understand media law, and this is satire, and you can't sue me for "liable.")
Permit me to just note along the way, that it seems to me it doesn't matter a hill o' beans whether someone is "high school educated" [meaning presumably no more than that] or "a mere COMMISSION SALESMAN" as opposed to a business owner. I've known people with PhD's who haven't got the sense god gave to an oyster and who I wouldn't trust to organize a bake sale; and I've known self-educated people [who came of age during the Depression mostly]who quit high school of necessity to work but who are some of the smartest people I've ever met. And we all can name business founders who are corrupt as the day is long [think Ken Lay of Enron or Bernie Ebbers of World Com just for openers], and people who make their livings in sales... or waitressing or fixing cars [keep adding to the list of non-prestige jobs if you like] whose honesty you could safely bank on 24/7.
What matters is the strength of the argument being made, and the evidence whoever is making it can bring in in support of his or her conclusions. "Well, he's just a commission salesman" is no refutation to a good argument or proposal, just as "well, he founded a successful company" is no support for a weak argument or foolish proposal.
The gondolista arguments are weak because the facts do not support them. The facts are on the other side of the question... on our side Rudi et al. We can take them down on the facts, without going after who they are, how educated they are, or what their jobs are, all of which is just a distraction. They have no evidence they can offer to back up their pipe dream visions. That's what matters and what they have not been able to get around in two years, now, of trying. Two years of it. The gondolista emperor has no clothes, and all the by-invitation-only Mayoral dog and pony shows, all the repetions of propaganda films on the City channel or Geiger interviews, all the op-ed snit fits and foot-stamping petulance has not been able to cover that simple fact up. That's what matters.
You said it this time, Curmudgeon!
Go, Curm, Go!
"Permit me to just note along the way, that it seems to me it doesn't matter a hill o' beans whether someone is "high school educated" [meaning presumably no more than that] or "a mere COMMISSION SALESMAN" as opposed to a business owner. I've known people with PhD's who haven't got the sense god gave to an oyster and who I wouldn't trust to organize a bake sale..."
OKAY Mister college perfessor, we'll grant you that.
Nevetheless, odds are that a high school educated person will be stuck with a high-school... mode of analysis... shall we say.
WE'd suspect that very few of these hypothetical persons will have the inherent analytical tools of say... Bill Gates - who did actually manage to at least get admitted to Harvard before he "dropped out."
No?
Hell of a good pitch you make for the value of higher education, Mister/Doctor college perfessor.
We'll add that we've known many relatively uneducated "commission salesmen" who were complete dumbasses like Curt Geiger too.
Statistical probability would in fact lean toward that common-sense observation, dontcha think?
;-)
Gee...is it even worth dissecting the rest of Geiger's commentary?
What I find most embarassing is the way he puts words into Metcalf's mouth. Metcalf never mentioned the gondola. The "troubling news" that he referred to was that "the city is proposing to sell a large tract of public open space in its foothills, including a significant portion of its trail system, for private development."
What I wonder is this: When Geiger talked his Japanese bosses into moving his office here in 2004, did he even know about the proposed foothill land sale? I suppose the mayor could have been plotting it that early, and might have been foolish enough to divulge the scheme to Geiger, but I doubt it. Peterson didn't even buy the Malan's Basin property until February 2005, several months after Descente moved here. A month before that the mayor was still showing simulated photos of the gondola going up Taylor Canyon.
Metcalf has reminded us that other visions besides the mayor's can also bring outdoor companies, and talented professionals, to town. Geiger responds that outdoor companies weren't actually coming to Ogden until the mayor started talking about the gondola. But we'll never really know what would have happened if the mayor had had a different vision.
Remember that there were two other big changes in Ogden that occurred at about the same time as Godfrey's gondola vision: The 2002 Olympics, and BDO. The Olympics have made it easy to grab the attention of companies that might want to relocate here. BDO has created a revenue stream against which the city has borrowed money to fix up downtown. A third big change, commuter rail, will be coming soon.
I won't claim that the gondola played no role at all in attracting Descente (at least) to Ogden, but it's just common sense that a totally speculative gondola is of little importance compared to the Olympic-related publicity, fixing up downtown, and commuter rail.
Furthermore, the mayor could have had other, even more attractive, visions. He could have decided in 2002 to green-up Ogden's image, as he's belatedly doing now with the Sustainable Ogden Committee. He could have pushed for wilderness status for the west sides of Mt. Ogden and Lewis Peak, instead of writing a letter to the Forest Service opposing wilderness.
Maybe it's true that Descente never would have come here without the gondola. But Descente has only a handful of employees anyway. Metcalf has made it clear that there are lots of companies out there, including large ones like his (300 employees in Salt Lake), that pay attention to a city's environmental image.
Curm, stop it right now. Finally we get a whole thread to denigrate those who so willingly denegrate others. PLEASE do not defend the creepy guy who calls any person that writes the paper to express their personal opposition to the most ill conceived, obviously blatant ,fumbled from the outset land grab scheme ever devised by the most lying little egotistical, sociopathic, narcissistic ,chucky cheeze impersonating, duly elected(miracles never cease) mayor, that resembles a peccary.(Did I mention that a peccary is a little pig,with a white collar?)
This time please refran from all your thoughtfull attempts tosave the weird looking little idiot that injected himself into this, he chose, on his own initiative, to put his dessonex encrusted foot in his own foul smelly oral orafice, and should gracefully accept the serious verbal pummelling he is about to receive. To put it on your own terms, fair is fair.
Rudi have you done (or read) any statistical research on the suject? ;-)
Thank you curm for the kudos.
Dan S. - since we are both from the more educated side of the population, we both know that it is ALL a question of balance. Remember the old rabbits and wolves on the island problem. It doesn't take much to screw up the balance, and it doesn't take long for things to get out of control. It's just too bad those about to throw the monkey wrench into things can someday (somewhere else) look back on the mess they left behind and say "Boy am I glad I got out when I did!"
The real stakeholders are the residents and volunteers and outdoors-lovers and tree-huggers like curm, who will raise families here and probably be laid to rest here - because it's not about the money, is it? Try convincing Godfree and Geiger et al of that.
LOL!
Now you all know, in some small sense, why your blogmeister dubbed this most excellent lady "the lovely Jennifer," quite some time ago...
Rudi:
You wrote: OKAY Mister college perfessor, we'll grant you that.
The day you see me arguing that you [or anyone else] should accept what I say because I teach at WSU, you'll know I've got absolutely no evidence to back up whatever it is I'm arguing for. Zilch. Nada. None.
That's called an argument from authority ["Believe what I say because of who I am"] and it always means whoever is making it is a quart and a half low on evidence and fact... at least.
Cowboy Curtis said: "I am the vice president of two very strong brands"
Well Descente is one and I think the other is DNA.
Let's see, all you have to do is think of a catchy name, design a logo, buy some advertising and redesign the embroidery and style to half of your clothing line to appeal to snowboarders and new school skiers. Bingo you have two companies under the same roof doing the same thing and suddenly you double your clout.
Anyone can create companies ad nauseum. I have a couple myself. I don't go blathering about it all unless I'm trying to pickup a likely bimbo.
Mr. second liar and chief, Curt(dare I say it)PO.............oh hell, Curm, this is tough, POT...........,ahh, Pota...................egads Potat.............uhhhh, Potato NOSE. Ahhhhh, I feel better now.
Cowboy Curtis said: "it was Mayor Godfrey’s high adventure recreation vision for Ogden that sealed the deal"
If your such a sports guy, why do you need the mayor or a vision to decide where to locate a clothing sales rep office of half dozen employees.
And if your such a sports guy, why do you need a gondola to access any recreational opportunities. In fact the gondola will not enhance any of the most popular outdoor recreational assets already on Ogden's plate. These assets were here way before you or Godfrey "discovered" them. Someone once said Christopher Columbus discovered America, too. Better tell the both of you that someone already knew.
Note to BERNNIE ALLEN, you better up these guys rent, they have too much leisure time withwhich thy inflick massive amounts of pain and suffering on the city at large. This plus the fact that when your self indulgent lying little brother in law loses this election, you'll have no tenants. In keeping with old Japanese custum, for bringing great dishonor to the corporation, both geigers will be required insert cutlery(provided by curt's personal friend and chef WOLFGANG PUCK) into their abdominal area and proceed to twist and gouge themselves for the required minute or two. They will then be fired and the NORTH AMERICAN sales office for DESCENTE will be relocated to Nogales Mexico(North American FREE TRADE aggreement) where HONEST RELIABLE help can be hired at quite a savings.
Dust off the for rent signs bernnie.
Are Cowboy Curtis and Wolf Puck pals? They almost look like brothers.
Good Old (?) Curmudgeon:
It does matter that the SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE only went to high chool, because he shoves his potato nose into our town every sigle, godforsaken day; he and those like him are going to save us; he and his fellow 12th-grade achievers are going to make OTown the next "Mecca" of the high-adventure recreation set; does it not bother you that Teeny Lying Little Matty Gondola Godfrey doesn't know what the word "Mecca" means? Doesn't it get in your professor's craw that he uses "patron" as a verb? Quit being such a pussy.
Seaking of Columbus, the origin of the potato is as follows, the potato is indigenous in the Andes of South America, it has been a staple of the indigenous people there for possibly 50,000 plus years. It has recently been stolen by anglo American evil fairies that torment lying evil salesmen of Chinese made rags, with Japanese labels bearing French names. As these salesmen proceed down the path of total dishonesty and coruption, these fairies (RUPERT are you paying attention!) where was I? Oh ya, these evil anglo American fairies retaliate by converting the salesman's noses into starchy tubers with origins in SOUTH AMERICA. And after a very short time,(in Chinese rag sales years) all evidence of the human breathing organ disappears, leaving the humble South American tuber in its place. Is the NOSE an organ?
I like "TuberNose" better
Another thing about genius Bonneville High School graduates who used to rep. Roffe: They eat a lot of onion rolls! THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE. Jagoff.
Rudi, help us, this topic is downright ludicrous. You are suggesting that we compare APPLES and POTATOES. It's just too difficult. On one hand we have a very real, successful honest businessman that knows where the stick floats. On the other, this guy can't even conger up his own visions, he's very susceptible to the lying little suzerain wanna be wheeler dealer mayor and his vest(non Japanese) wearin (maybe with a purple scarf) outcast billionaire's son in law ,who hates forrest dwelling rodents, and their disengenuous babble.
Get real. APPLES and POTATOES.
Man alive! I wish I could graduate from Bonneville High School and soon become a worldwide leader in the ski industry; just ask THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE how it's done.
News flash, Our would be if he could be wheeling with a lie dealin with the big shots mayor has almost completed his first accomplishment in seven years as mayor. After spending more than $40,000,000.00 of your money to build an 18,000,000.00 structure,fully equipped, he has leased it out to his buddy for the reasonable ptice of $ 57,900.00 a month. That means you good tax paying citizens will only have to subsidize his buddy another $ 142,100.00 a month for the next 20 years. Where's Monte Hall when we need him?
Based on the ecconomic logic lying little matty applied to the rec center, I see how the geigers would endorse the peterson give away. It's a matter of scale. Same formula.
On a more serious note. If my memory serves me well, when this whole stupid gondola, land give away started, the mayor himself said, it's a done deal. We have him on tape, in his office,telling hand selected, special invitation only residents of 23rd. st. exactly that. Then I recall short fuse (bobby geiger) at Wasatch elementry school, during the meetings for the MT. Ogden community plan, restating that, almost tearfully shouting, over the jeers of over 400 of his neighbors. My question is, was he lying then, now or both?
I can always tell a mayor and a geiger when I see one, I just can't tell them much.
Jason,
I know you want to harp on somebody and call them nothing more than a high school grad. You obviously have some very strong feelings towards the Geigers. However, in continually launching personal attacks your level of argument descends to a level around middle school. When one attends college, one learns about the use of fallacy and how to write argumentative papers (or comments in your case). The moment blatant fallacy is used, pretty much all of your argument goes out the window- regardless of if some of it may be true or not. Try sticking with the issues and discontinue the sophomoric attacks and then maybe the things that you say that may or may not be true will actually be up for discussion instead of simply being dismissed.
Try sticking, to elaborate on the jest of Jason's meaning. By the lies and arguments(positions he takes) one can clearly see that he has done no backgound research,geiger that is. The actual cost of the gondola has been a total fabrication from the get go. The actual cost to the people is nothing but pure bs and full of omitions. I clearly don't profess to be an expert on any of this, yet I have inquired and been able to discern that nothing geiger or little lying matty have espoused is accurate. This must be intertpretted only one way, their flat out lying, purposely trying to deceive the public. And geiger presents himself as some sort of officinado, expert as you will, when stating these blatent falsehoods. I beleive under such circumstances one's credentials are open to analysis,as well as his point of veiw. That said, geiger is a lying potato nose.
Dear Try Sticking:
Thank you for your erroneous discourse regarding rhetoric and argumentative writing; if an argument is ineffective relative to a predicative "fallacy" measure, then someone arguing against me would have to point out which facts about THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE I cited were false: the Wolfgang Puck story; the $35K GONDOLA car sponsorships caveat; the SNOWBASIN connection; the true cost of Teeny Matty's Urban Gondola to Nowhere; the true intention of Wayne Peterson and his famed Squirrel Patrol; and so on. Yes, calling people names and making personal attacks negates my argument, as it removes my credibility. No one, certainly not I, will argue contrarily. But to insert a fact-based-versus-emotional-argument angle demonstrates your ignorance. And I didn't learn such things in college. Moreoever, analysis and acceptance/rejection of my credentials and position is not applicable, because I am not a public figure such as Mr. Geiger, who has declared himself to be a community savior and business leader of worldwide renown. I am, as you wrote, a name-calling middle schooler. Plus, I have grown to realize that I cherish the Geigers and their inanities during this debate and process; it would have been interminably dull without them. I salute them, their tenacity, their belief in Little Matty's "visions" and their viral hatred of squirrels, as derived from their fearless leader, Wayne Peterson.
One more thing,mr. try sticking. geiger can't even see past his potato, to realize lying little matty is trying to give away one of Ogden's only true permanent assets,to some idiot that is constantly seen wearing a patagonia vest,this asset being not only invaluable,but also irreplaceable, and only to enrich the squirrel hating clown. This for the sole purpose of trying to establish a world record for ammassining a mountain of public debt by one mayor. Once adding the infinate asset loss to the cost of providing infastructure and services,lying little matty may just set that record. And potato nose is all for it.
Another thing, Chapman ... err, Try Sticking:
Naive people like you who like to think they're smart tend to misuse words whose literal meanings you flimsily grasp, but whose contextual applications are beyond your grasp. Such as lexicon; you likely don't have a lexicon, clown, unless you are an expert author in a specific field or area of study (However, the "language" of the Lift Ogden braindead is filled with the linguistic detritus of the pitifully ignorant, woefully faithful, and Orwellian self-deluded: "vision," "belief,"
"visionary," "progress," "THE GONDOLA is going to be the biggest thing since the railroad," ad nauseum.). A more correct use would be to say that you, a Lift Ogden prevaricator, have a "vocabulary." All this one can learn in a high school English class, although it's probably of the AP variety. One need not attend college to learn this.
Just practicing my freedom of speach daily exercise. It feels good to remind myself that geiger is a lying potato nose.
I'm supprised that the mayor and his buddy Neilson don't have an attraction at the Jackass center honoring Potato Nose for his contributions to their effort. I offer an idea they may choose to run with.
It's sort of a sci-fi horror theme and could be done with a seiga or motion apperatus. We'll call it SPUD-NIK 1.0.
The patrons(not a verb Curm) climb into a modified Russian space capsule replica, euipted with large video monitors and Dolby surround sound. They are then pursued around the universe by potato nose himself, as he spews lies and onion breath at every maneuver providing a very space-age horrifying experience for all.
On second thought, as a cost savings to the tax payer of Ogden,(since by the generous lease aggreement provided by lying little matty to his buddy thats provides for the tax payer to provide all the epuipment) they could use one of the 2 gondola cars the citizens of Ogden have all ready purchased. The could just refer to the ride as a nostalgic look back at 2006.
If we could be so blessed, maybe after this election Ogden could suffer from a good ol' 19th century Irish style "POTATO FAMINE".
More about THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE: that jagoff and his son, Loony Tunes Bob, cornered an 80-year-old retired high school teacher last council meeting and proceeded to finger-point him in the chest and scream about all sorts of nonsensical idiocy: because he's an intelligent human and he thinks THE GONDOLA is stupid. Voters, wise up: Anybody but Godfrey. And if you Geigers are reading: Try that shit with me or Bill...
More for THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE: You are a LIAR. Write us back and refute this, you illiterate ski clothing knob.
My inner self has compelled me to write about Lying Little Matty Godfrey and all the terrible things he has done for our city, the latest being the $100 million in debt we accrued and the idea that he would give away our publicly owned land for pennies on the dollar to his European travelling companion, Wayne Peterson. I also understand Curt Geiger received an outstanding hubris award for being the most arrogant, ill-tempered, onion-smelling clown in town.
As I think back to when I first got wind of this idiotic land grab scheme, I have to remember lying little matty and potato nose,their declaration that Ogdens going to hell,how we need to do this because some vest wearin dorky idiot that married well, has half a billion burning a hole in his pocket and he'll save us. Now that it's public reckoning time, have they changed their tune? too bad it's not France in the sixteenth century, we could storm the 9th floor with torches and pitchforks,round up all those lift ogden pinnoccio types and lop their heads off.
Now thats off my chest, geiger is nothing but an ugly lying sleazy potato nosed bastard, that I don't think I care to hear from ever again,should I be so fortunate.
Take that, POTATO NOSE.
Potato Nose, in light of the chucky cheeze impersonators' 180 on your store bought vision, and since you had so much to do with all the wasted tax money invested in this attempted theft of public property, it's only right That you buy , from the city, those two stupid Gondola cars you used to make a complete ass of yourself on so many occasions.
Lying little matty has thrown you overboard potato nose, now what?
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