Friday, July 06, 2007

A Family Frolic at the Salomon Center

Gentle Reader Danny gives us the lowdown on "Sal's Place" - from the family point of view

By Dannie Donner

My wife Donna and I, together with our obedient children Denny, Dessa, and Deena loaded up the family minivan, together with our friends Dinty and Dottie Dingledine, and we all took a ride down to the Salomon Center this week. I thought I might relate some observations.

The parking garage looked great. The new paint really brightened the place. But then again, the Donner family has always loved parking garages. You haven’t lived until you’ve taken a rental car, locked the parking brake, and drug the back wheels screeching down three levels of a slick-floored big city parking garage.

While walking from the garage to the Salomon Center (or Sal’s Place as we called it,) we were in the company of numerous groups of excited youths – a good sign. As we peeked into Costa Vida Mexican Grill, I couldn’t help but remember that trendsetter of fresh Mexican grill restaurants: La Salsa, out in Riverdale. That restaurant presaged the coming of dozens of copycat “Fresh Mex” places, each of which lasted about two years before going belly up. Perhaps it’s harder than it looks to make a living wrapping black beans and rice in a flour tortilla, but hey, best wishes to Costa Vida.

Next, was the Flowrider. Dinty’s first comment was, “How do I get one of these in my backyard?” but the kid at the ticket booth couldn’t answer his question. There are currently only fifty of these worldwide, and I suppose, for good reason. Rather than pay $20 an hour for thirty feet of surf, why not just take a Southwest flight to So Cal for the day?

Next was the climbing wall. It costs $10 for adults for all day, or $60 a month. But do we not have the real thing around here for free? The most interesting feature was the benches made out of skis that you could sit on while watching the climbers. Outside the climbing center were those sandstone benches we’ve all heard about – basically a bunch of cubes – some with water coming out of them. I guess this is what $500,000 of illegally diverted highway money gets you, what, about twenty grand for each cube? Or maybe it was the under-market-value sale of the Wall Avenue property to the mayor’s crony that paid for the cubes, I can’t remember. But hey, if someone asks, “Got cubes?” we can say, “You betcha we got cubes, a half a million dollars worth of cubes!” There was a nice stainless steel sculpture there too – for me much more interesting than the climbing wall itself.

Next, we came to the i-fly. It costs $49 for two minutes for beginners, and $39 for two minutes after that. Dinty’s comment was the equipment looked reassembled – like it got taken apart in some other city and moved here. On the walls of the i-fly lobby were videos of a much nicer and larger wind tunnel facility. It appears here in Ogden we got the discount model – much smaller and cheaper looking. A crowd collected and sat down on the small row of bleachers near the i-fly, and the suspense was palpable as two guys suited up for a ride. As they climbed in and took off, a rush of excitement swept through the spectators. For the first 30 seconds, I determined that I HAD to try this MYSELF! In the next 30 seconds I decided I could probably live without it. And then, during the next minute or so, the crowd pretty much left while the two guys were still flying.

Gold’s Gym was the next stop. At the Ogden Athletic Club in South Ogden they’ve divided the place into sections, so you can feel a sense of privacy while exercising. At Gold’s, at the Sal Center, there were no partitions whatsoever, and it was packed with equipment. The last time I saw a field of that much twisted metal it was an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie. Gold’s was an eerie, empty expanse of mechanization with a person here and there – as if silently waiting for the cyborgs to come and finish of the few remaining humans. It appears the Donner family will not be moving our exercise spa membership after all.

Next was the arcade, where the most interesting thing was the number of casino gambling devices present – one of which was a coin pusher I swear came right off the floor at Caesar’s. It appears that in Utah it’s illegal to gamble for “chips,” but it’s okay if you’re gambling for “tokens.” Send your kids to Sal’s Place, Mom and Dad, where they can gamble the carefree afternoons away. As far as the bumper cars – they moved so slowly and had so little room to maneuver they should have called the ride “Little Cindy’s Bumper Snails.” The mini golf cost $5 a person and was smaller and looked less fun than the one they have at Spare Time in Roy.

Next to the bowling alley there’s an enclosed booze bench for anybody who needs to get lit while visiting Sal’s. As far as the bowling, as I stood there watching the few lanes that were being bowled I noticed a smell. I wondered how, given it was brand new, that somebody could have already vomited in the place. I turned around, and there was a girl just passing behind me with a pizza. Hmmm, now that was some real smelly novelty cheese on that pizza. Bowling was about $4-5 bucks plus another $2-3 bucks for shoes, which seemed a little steep. You can find passes around town where six can bowl and get a pizza for $50 at Sal’s, which still seemed a little stiff to me.

The most interesting thing in the whole place was the virtual roller coaster. You sat in a flight simulator capsule while watching a computer monitor that was showing a roller coaster ride in outer space, or whatever. All the while, the thing tipped and turned you upside down and all around. One kid standing next to me commented on what the ride would probably make him do if he rode it. I had wondered myself how long it would take before this ride started smelling like the house pizza.

Last, was Big Larry’s Movie Hall across the plaza. Complete with a food court with four separate vendors, but few patrons, it appeared that the Fatmans’s Midas touch may have turned to lead here in Ogden. The only movie the Donner family wanted to see was showing just twice a day – an hour before noon, and 2 hours before midnight. Nice scheduling, Larry. But we may come back when they have something we want to watch, because we buy some of our cars from Larry (using our Costco discount) and we love Ogden. And the more we – the citizens – spend there, the longer it will take before we – the taxpayers – start having to cover the operating costs, which we will. We might as well get something for the money.

Overall, there were lots of kids everywhere and a sense of dynamism that I haven’t felt downtown since the Ogden City Mall first opened (which by the way, was another a government project that went bust before the bonds that built it were paid off.) And there has been some private development here and there, which hopefully will last longer than the Sal’s Place will before it starts losing money. So things are looking better, now that Godfrey has spent all our money, and while everything is still brand new.

On the other hand, if the Salomon Center were a public company, I’d sell the stock short tomorrow. Here’s some free advice for the mayor and his supporters. Six Flags, Inc. has been running amusement centers since 1961 and they still can’t figure out how to make them turn a profit.

Whether it’s a mall, a fun center, or some other government project: Just because somebody gets elected mayor, how does that make him a business wizard all of a sudden? We’re talking about lots of real money Godfrey has borrowed and spent – money that belonged to people who never gave their permission! You people push for deal after deal downtown and they all end up being taxpayer sink holes from one decade to the next. Please stop doing this! Have a burrito at Costa Vida while it’s still there, and think about it. Or perhaps, it would be best for Godfrey’s supporters to take a trip to the booze booth at the Sal Center bowling alley, get sauced, and try NOT to think about it.

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well, well,, well,I also took a tour of sorts, seemed to have come to the same basic reality, it really is the Jackass Center.
Danny, my first comment as I gazed at Gold gym was, look at all that wasted space. As for the layout, absurd.
It was also immediately obvious why nobody really tried to estimate the crowd numbers at the infamous SNEAK PEEK, due to the poor layout and wasted space,I doubt very seriously that you could shoehorn 500 folks into that place at one time. If this place represents lying little matty's vision, dream, it must be a nightmare of the highest order,for the folks in Ogden.
If this is supposed to be the cornerstone representation of what Ogden's image is,(according to lying little matty's visionary enhancements) I'll give you one more observation to ponder. Nowhere in the building can you get something to eat, on a real plate. Disposable paper and tin foil, and this place is named Solomon.

Anonymous said...

Good eye, Danny,

I was wondering if I was the only one who noticed we got the iFly solo instead of the iFly super-circle-jerker-cluster-flyer pictured in the posters up there.

I haven't seen the roller coaster simulator yet. I must not be looking closely. I cannot even begin to put into words any comprehensible description of the layout of this place. Traffic flow can make or break a mall or any given space within. This place is textbook confusion. Just walking through the place is enough entertainment, much like a halloween maize(corn)-maze or haunted house. I can't help but see MG's signature or face imprinted on every detail and feature. Especially the Sunday closure and the nonsensical mix of attractions.

We still need a grocery downtown. Why not offer Whole Foods or Wild Oats an incentive like Salomon. They employ at least 50 in their stores and pay loads of sales tax. I don't think we get any taxes out of Salomon or the other ski companies. They don't do much if any retail and not out of this region.

As I encourage a downtown grocery I cannot overlook, nor should you, Adrianna's Market just north of the river, Carlo's produce at 30th, Rita's Tortilleria. These are rootsy and are loaded with surprises for the uninitiated.

The only reason I plug for Whole Foods is that it fits the hi-brow, nuvo-urbo-stilldrivin'anSUV demographica, cultivated by these newfangled multi-usable, hyper-planned, stucco and faux-stone, replaceable in dos-decades, stroker stops. Anyone who already is actually "living" in Ogden will likely not need a 5 dollar spirulina enhanced carrot, beet, parsley smootheroo. Whoever eventually occupies all those condos down there won't stay long if they don't have access to some Dr Bronner's Maple flavored Hemp Soap and Honeybush Tea.

Anonymous said...

Costa Vida and Cafe Rio are rubber stamps in the GringoGrill format.

Neither offer repollo con lima y pimienta.

What is it with white folks and lettuce. Greens sans flavor.

Anonymous said...

Interesting review, but I can't shake the lingering impression that Danny ventured down to the Saloman Center with something less than a completely unbiased and open-minded attitude.

I haven't been down there yet [result of Mr. Miller not offering show times more convenient than those at the Mall theater for the two films I've seen since he opened... same problem Danny had... and of the MillerPlex not so far living up to its promise to book on at least one screen films with less than blockbuster potential. Had he booked "Sicko!" I'd have already been a customer of his. But he didn't, promises not withstanding.]

As for the cubes, sculptures: public art never pleases everyone. No matter what they put in there by way of public space art, some people would have been unhappy and writing letters to the editor or posts on WCF decrying the choices. When it comes to selecting, installing public art, the selection committees can't win for losin'. So I'm inclined to cut them a little slack on this.

I was impressed, reading your review, with the variety of activities the Saloman Center includes. Whether it will all work out, all succeed or not in the end, we don't know yet. Way way too early to tell. We're going to have to be patient now and for some time.

Though I admit, I am puzzled at why Ogden City taxpayers are now the owners of stairmasters and weightlifting benches and treadmills... since as I understand it, the City bought all of the exercise equipment in the Gold's Saloman Center site, and leased it to Gold's Gym. I'm having a hard time understanding why the taxpayers should have bought stairmasters and weight benches for a private health club's use, even on lease.

So, be patient. Let's see how it plays out over time. Way too early to draw any conclusions about the center's ultimate success or failure.

Anonymous said...

Curm,

on a quick review of the lease I cannot find a reference to the gym equipment. There is reference to the bowling equipment, flowrider, SkyVenture simulator and climbing wall. The city clearly paid for all these. The Tenant is NOT paying any lease on this 5 MILLION DOLLARS of city owned equipment. It is all part of the double subsidy to these FOM's.

Anonymous said...

What? No complaining that downtown will have internet by the end of the summer? I'd like to write an article about how our youth will be corrupted by easy access to porn. Soon we will be a town of wave riders and porn addicts...I think you may have a point, we should all move to SoCal and ride real waves and be closer to donkey shows.

OgdenLover said...

(I'd posted about this previously, but it seems to have gotten lost, or I previewed and forgot to post.)

Meanwhile, city Water Department employees spent 4-5 days dealing with a major sewer line break on Taylor just past the SE entrance to WSU. These guys worked outdoors in blazing heat from early morning until late night even through all of Sunday. Preventive maintence on our infrastructure is where our money should have been spent.

Anonymous said...

silly,

I'm looking forward to downtown wi-fi. You can bet that porn will be blocked. Not all, of course, but filters will be in place. Not only for the content but for the bandwidth hijacking. There are constantly updated blocklists widely available. For your own machine use PeerGuardian.

Anonymous said...

If you think about it, The lack of flow and disjointed layout pattern of the Jackass center is more telling than you think.
These guys,(administration and other overpaid somewhat dishonest professional staff) knew from the get-go,some of this pig with lipstick would be a complete failure. This explains having to leave the facility in order to re-enter for another attraction.
This will allow the mayors buddy holding the lease, the ability to find anything, related or not to sublet that space for a stand alone operation of his choosing.

Anonymous said...

If you would like to see how someone would approach an amusement center with their own money on the line, stop by Mulligans North. Jimmy is putting 8.5 million into his little venture,and I have to say, he knows the business. He built his business by not trying to recover his investment all at once, with gimicks to gouge his customer. Repeat business, over time. My first batting coach said it best, you don't come right out swinging for the fences.

Matt Hansen said...

Where can one go to find some constructive information?

Anonymous said...

Constructive Information

I hope this helps.

Anonymous said...

Bill:

If I got bad information about the equipment in Gold's, I'll be happy to apologize and I'll post a correction. Checking now.

Anonymous said...

LOL Tec

Why would I want to be block porn???

Anonymous said...

This is funny. The SE is running two polls on its website, the first dated 6/28/07 and the second dated 6/30/07.

Both polls ask the same question: "Are you pleased Ogden Mayor Matthew Godfrey plans to run for re-election?"

The earlier poll shows even numbers, a 50-50 breakdown.

The later poll shows an entirely different split, with only 39% of random SE web surfers thinking Godfrey's candidacy is a good idea.

Who is running these polls anyway? Curt "Idaho Spudnose" Geiger? The poor fellow seems constantly confused.

We all must keep in mind that many of us are ecstatic that Mayor Godfrey is running on his record again, so the second poll is possibly wrong.

The people of Ogden crave the chance to kick Godfrey's lyin' ass to the curb, in an Ogden election free for all.

It would be nice though, if somebody would soon publish some real poll results.

not pesimistic, just realistic said...

I was wondering how someone could get a copy of the lease on the Soloman Center

Anonymous said...

Just sit tight not pes, there may soon be a link right here to connect you to a copy of the lease, we need to get it digitized.
Fyi, it is a public document.

Anonymous said...

When Godfrey was reminding us that "this is a republic, not a democracy, and the people voted for me therefore I will make the decisions", he also managed through his thugs to steal the petitions that would've put the rec center BONDING on the ballot.

At that time, Hizzonah said that Neilson and Fat Cats was bringing in 1 1/2 million dollars worth of equipment.

WE get to pay for everything else. DID they bring in the equipment? When they run away...do we keep the equipment?

Shouldn't Ogdenites get a break on those horrendous prices since the thing is financed on our backs?

I took out of state family by there tonight. People milling about staring in windows. At the risk of not being PC, the folks walking around didn't look like they could afford to buy much more than a Pepsi.

Sure liked reading about your family, Danny. Most creative names for the D's....would make good bloggers...and your post was most insightful and entertaining.

Anonymous said...

Matt:

Where can one go to find some constructive information?

Your wife gives me pretty good info!

Anonymous said...

Still haven't seen a reply from Mr. Gullo to my questions about his endorsement or lack of Godfrey's Gondola vision.

not pesimistic, just realistic said...

I would also like to know where I could get a copy of the feasibility study that FatCats provided the city on the rec center. Anyone have a copy or know where I can get one? A rep from Brunswick tried to get a copy from the city and they said that they didn't have one.

OgdenLover said...

not pesimistic -
Maybe the feasibility study was only a draft.

Anonymous said...

Og:

He he he.

Nice one. Still chuckling.

Anonymous said...

What's with this "reserved seating only" at the new Megaplex 13? Apparently for some shows all the time....

I can see weekend evening shows of blockbusters likely to be sold out or close... but a movie in its second week running at 11 AM Sunday morning? Reserved seating only? We were going to go to the Millerplex for first time tomorrow... until we hit the "reserved seating only" notice. The problem with that is, if you are seated near yakkers you can't move to other seats since they may be reserved for someone else. So, we'll be going back to the Mall Tinseltown theater instead which has open seating. [Ogden gets the sales taxes either way.] We've never been to a really crowded show in the second week of a run on a Sunday morning there.

Mr. Miller, you're making it difficult for us to give your new picture show place a chance.

not pesimistic, just realistic said...

Ogdenlover,

The feasibility study was what Mayor Godfrey used to dupe the city council into his Junction Project. It definately wasn't a draft. It was written by a Paul Kriens, who was hired by FatCats and Gold's Gym to do the study. It was the only feasibility study done, Ogden City didn't do one, they based their decision upon a study provided by the very company that stood to gain from this project. As it stands right now, the tenants don't have a single penny invested in this project. I would like to know where I can get a city to give me a business free of charge.

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