Justin Eccles puts in a subtle plug for his council candidate neoCON kid
The Boss Godfrey Campaign Letter Mill is again churning full steam, with two more Godfrey rah-rah letters in this morning's Standard-Examiner. Godfreyite Justin Eccles (proud papa of council candidate Royal "Pain" Eccles) touts Boss Godfrey's "successful record" here; and Godfreyite letters-to-the-editor regular Bob Ballantyne spews his usual bone-headed drivel here (yawn).
Both letters propound what we assume will be the general major theme of Boss Godfrey's 2007 campaign: Boss Godfrey is responsible for everything good that's happening in our formerly pleasant and somewhat sleepy town.
The claim that Godfrey is solely responsible for economic revival in Ogden is nearly identical to another keystone claim in the Boss Godfrey re-election arsenal: that Boss Godfrey is responsible for lowering the crime rate in Ogden. Of course that theme was thoroughly demolished last Tuesday on this very blog.
In that connection, we ask the question: Is the "Boss Godfrey the Economic Savior" theme susceptible to the same method of analysis as the now debunked "Godfrey the Crime-fighter" theme? The answer, we think, is "yes."
First, this latest self-serving Boss Godfrey claim is likewise founded upon the same post hoc logical fallacy. The fact that our town's seeming renaissance is happening during Godfrey's watch actually permits no logical inference re causation at all.
And looking toward broad economic circumstances, we find that the "rising tide" of economic revival is actually a phenomenon that's being experienced all across the state, not merely in Ogden City. Although we don't have data specific to Ogden, we'll speculate, reasonably we think, that the figures reflecting "boom times" in Ogden would be quite similar to those demonstrated elsewhere in Utah. A rising tide lifts all boats, after all.
Would Boss Godfrey claim full credit for economic circumstances plainly not of his own making? Isn't he the guy with more integrity than anyone in the room?
Never mind. We already know the answer to that.
Before we turn over the floor, we'll raise a few sub-issues, just to get the discussion ball rolling:
1) Unlike most cities in Utah which are reaping the benefits of Utah's booming economy, Boss Godfrey has been simultaneously creating public debt like a madman. Whereas other Utah communities will be reaping the benefits of a hot Utah economy without the burdens of massively-increased public debt, Emerald City will be paying off bonds into our grand kids' generation. Will Boss Godfrey's recent massive public expenditures for risky projects like the rec center pay off during the lifetime of the supporting debt instruments? Or will the taxpayers of Ogden ultimately be "on the hook," when the "boom times" turn to "slack times" (as they inevitably do)? How long into the 20-year bonding pay-down term, we ask, will Salomon Center patrons remain interested in novelty gimmicks like this?
2) We grow weary of the continuing claims of elements within the Godfreyite faction (like Mr. Ballantyne) that our current city council is in any way "obstructionist" with respect to Boss Godfrey's "pet projects." From our point of view, there is little difference between our last city council, which quietly "rubber-stamped" everything that Boss Godfrey brought to the table, and the current council, which usually approves virtually everything Godfrey wants. The current council makes a little more noise than the previous council in the process, but ultimately "rolls over" and delivers in a manner similar to the last council, in our view.
3) Isn't it about time "certain people" abandoned Mr. Eccles's right wing-socialist (neoCON) notion that a "municipal government" is, or should be regarded as a "business?" The differences in form and function between "government" and "private business" are stark and palpable. We believe it's high time for our city government to get out of the real estate development business, and all other businesses which compete with private enterprise. We also suggest that Mr. Eccles's ludicrous business analogy be summarily tossed into the dumpster -- along with his thoroughly-botched Godfreyite kid.
And what say you, gentle readers?
Talk about whatever floats your boat.
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41 comments:
Two more Pro-Godfrey letters in the S.E Editorials today, both saying what a leader he is, and what a worthless bunch the council is.
If these people want a true leader, then they better reconsider the people running for council and mayor.
It seems that they want the council to issue blank checks to the mayor and follow him blindly into more debt, and ignore the failing services the city and Godfrey has neglected during his seven plus years of playing monopoly.
We don’t need any more professional hood winkers and bobble heads that blindly believe in the vision at all costs. We need people who have the balls to ask questions, and make informed decisions, as far as the Mayor will provide, and if he doesn’t provide the information, table the vote.
I am getting tired of the group that blindly follows the vision; the vision needs a new set of glasses.
Getting Lasik:
Of the pro-Godfrey letter writers, you wrote this: It seems that they want the council to issue blank checks to the mayor.... .
There's no "it seems" about it. That's exactly what they want. Let's look at the record. They claim Ogden needs a less "negative" council. The Mayor wanted the city to take financial responsibility for the Junction bonds, despite his earlier pledge that no city financial liability would be involved in the project. The Council complied with his wishes. He wanted the River Project set up in a three-phased format. The Council agreed. He recently wanted a moratorium on approving licenses for business in the River Project zone so a Mixed Use Ordinance could be prepared for it first. The Council complied. He wanted a mixed use ordinance passed to cover the River Project zone. The council agreed. He wanted the Bootjack property sold to FOM Chris Peterson. The Council agreed. The list goes on and on.
I can think of only a very limited number of instances in which the Council flat denied the Mayor what he wanted. The extra floors [at city risk] on the office building going up at the Junction is one. The Council [with the assist of the Planning Commission] refused to accept the alleged "Mixed Use Zoning Ordinance" [which was really a resort development ordinance] drafted by Mr. Peterson's attorney and finally acted on a revision that altered about 80% of the text Peterson's attorney had submitted. And so on.
Here's what they really want: they want a council that will roll over on the Mayor's gondola/gondola transfer public lands in the foothills to his crony Chris Peterson scheme. That's it. That's the nub and core of what they want. A council that will ask no questions, and simply roll over on whatever the next version of the Peterson-Godfrey gondola/gondola real estate speculation on public lands scheme pops up.
I should also note that if the Council had, two years ago, docilly rolled over on the "Peterson Proposal" then [allegedly] on the table, Ogden would no longer have its municipal golf course at Mt. Park, the 60 additional acres of city parklands above the golf course, containing many of the most heavily used public trails on the benches would now be behind the gates of a private real estate development... and all to make possible a development scheme the Mayor now concedes was not feasible from the start.
What the letters want, as you note, is a silent rubber stamp council that will ask no questions of the Mayor, but simply, like a row of seven bobble head dolls, nod obligingly, endlessly and silently when ordered to do so by City Hall.
If people don't live in Ogden our election is none of their business and they should keep their d**n mouths shut. If they are so concerned about our well-being, they could volunteer to pay taxes here as well as where they live. In perpetuity.
Ogdenlover, I agree to a certain degree. There are, however, people out there who do care what happens in Ogden because they are in some way tied to it. Plus, what happens in Ogden does have an impact regionally.
But when it comes to Mr. Eccles, if he does care about Ogden so much, whey did he pack up and move away a few years ago?
And, does anybody know what the Standard's real policy is regarding their letters to the editor and endorsing candidates? If you are part of the G-train they will publish it?
Well said Ogdenlover. I am not an Ogden resident, however I am an Ogden City Employee. As such I feel I can comment on the city business.
I do not see where the Godfrey supporters can say that he has improved the city other than some aesthetics. I have heard many people tell me that the City looks so much better since Godfrey. However, these same people still do not shop in Ogden (then again where will you shop in Ogden anyway??). I ask these same people if they feel safe in the downtown area to walk around and most tell me no they do not. That tells me that putting a bandaid on a deep cut will make it look better for a time, but the problem is still underlying.
Speaking of shopping in Ogden, what retail stores (moderate to major) have come to Ogden since Godfrey's tenure? Home Depot and ummm, hmmmm, gee none come to mind. What has left? Fred Meyer, Sams Club, ZCMI (now Meyer & Frank), the old Ogden City Mall stores (J.C. Penneys). Now look at the bordering cities. Harrisville has WalMart a stones throw from Ogden City lines and Harrisville is growing. S.Ogden has Costco and Wallgreens (again a stones throw away). N.Ogden is building a Wallgreens. Riverdale (always growing anyway) took Sams Club and ZCMI (now Meyer & Frank). My point is that so many retail stores have left without any replacements. We know Godfrey hates small business/mom & pop stores (other than to fill empty storefronts along Washington Blvd east side downtown), but he is doing nothing to bring in large retail stores. And before anyone goes off on the WalMart attempt, that was marred (in my opinion) by other land grabs he took part in (or as he liked to put it "eminent domain").
As a city employee I am deeply concerned about future wages. Also will the city be able to afford health care for me and my family at an affordable rate? It is my sincere belief that Godfrey's employee wage negotiations this year was purely politically re-election driven. He gave himself the luxury of saying "see the employees and I get along great. We did not have ANY wage negotiation issues. All is well and good. Please re-elect me."
I would love to see the Mayor poll the city employees (all of them) to see if they would vote for him whether or not they live in Ogden. My belief is that he would not like the results, not by a long shot. However, I do not think he would do such a thing for that very reason.
Jill:
Note that the recent letters have not exclusively endorsed Godfrey. They have called for more "business-friendly" council members, and so go beyond simple endorsements.
What seems to be going on, Jill, is that the Godfrey campaign, or the campaigns of his surrogate council member candidates, has organized a letter-writing campaign --- with submissions carefully timed to appear in sequence, day after day. The rival campaigns seem not to have done so. If that is the case, we can hardly criticize the Mayor and his council-candidate FOM surrogates for out-campaigning their rivals.
Yes, the Godfrey-ites do have a letter writing campaign going where among other things we are continually told that Ogden city is a $120 million corporation and hence we need a mayor and council who are very business friendly, who are economists, etc. Today's letter from Ballantyne goes even further claiming directly that the mayor is the CEO and that the Council is the Board of Directors. (really?) What then does this make the citizens of Ogden? Keeping with the corporation model, I guess the best we could say is we are the investors in the corp. This explains a lot. What do investors want most? A financial return on their investment. So, from the Godfrey-ites' perspective we bought homes in Ogden in hopes of making money off the property we purchased. Not to live in a community for possibly the rest of our lives that provides certain amenities like, good schools, good roads, a well trained and funded fire and police department, recreational opportunities, etc. After all, no corporation provides these kinds of things for its investors. All of that needs to be found outside the corp. I'm sorry, Godfrey-ites but that's not how a city operates. The claim that Ogden is a business, as Ballantyne wrote, just shows how little they understand about how governments are (and need to be) different from corporations.
"...the mayor is the CEO and that the Council is the Board of Directors. (really?) What then does this make the citizens of Ogden?
Cato,
Somebody has to clean the toilets.
Justin Eccles letter states that Ogden was dead when Matthew Godfrey came into office. He doesn't get the picture that Ogden is gasping for breath at this very moment.
$100,000,000 million in debts will be negative substenance when Fat Cats and Gold's Gym can't pay their rent and Godfrey decides to spend unknown millions on his River Project.
I do not see that building more buildings without creating jobs and business is reviving a city.
Does anyone have a total on how many NEW jobs have actually been created by all the so-called progress?
I quit reading Letters to the Editor at "Vote Time" because most of the people writing the letters have no clue as to the real facts.
A ghost writer has usually penned the letter for them.
Curm-
I agree with you for the most part, I do see that happening, but the letters I'm referring are a bit fuzzy when it comes to that and do mention and/or endorse Godfrey (today's Justin Eccles piece) or other specific names (such as Iron's support for Royal Eccles on Aug 23).
Standards Guidelines for Political Letters:
2. No letters of endorsement or simple praise of qualifications and worth of candidates will be run.
Jill:
Yes, you're right. You have to massage the Standard's standards pretty vigorously to consider the recent letters not to be endorsements.
I wonder where the SE got the idea of including a ban on endorsements in the first place. What rationale could there have been behind it? Puts the paper in the position of either printing no letters involving an up-coming election [nearly all of them being endorsements of some sort]--- which wouldn't be wise --- or of frequently violating its own posted standards [which the SE seems now to be doing]. Probably would be wise of the SE to just drop that item from its letters standards and be done with it.
If the mayor is like a CEO and the council is like a board of directors, then shouldn't the council have the authority to fire the mayor?
If they could do that he would have been gone long ago. but there was once upon a time when the city manager was not liked and the city council at least 4 of them like him and he kept his job till we removed the four. but this year we get to fire Godfrey.
The real joke in comparing Ogden to a corporation is that if it were true, Godfrey would be the absolute last person that should be running it. He has run the "corporation" into a hundred million dollar hole in the ground and all he really has to show for it is a bowling alley, a penny arcade and a bunch of failures!
He came from a slum lord background where he used credit cards and other debt to finance his horrible housing units, and he knows no other way. He is the least creative "builder of empires" I have ever witnessed. Every thing he has touched has been problematic from the BDO lawsuits and Army criminal investigation, to the Woodebury fiasco that cost the city $5 million in damages, to the Union Station condo's that cost the tax payers another $2 million in losses, and plenty of other loser deals in between. Every thing he touches turns to crap!
He is not only arrogant and dishonest, he is completely incompetent at an entrepreneur. If it were not for his ability to access tax payer money with little or no checks and balances, he wouldn't amount to a bucket of warm spit. He and his entire circle of empty suits could not even make it as low level managers at McDonalds.
They have done nothing but run up a huge mountain of debt on the tax payer's backs and have very little to show for it.
Giving away and losing your stockholder's assets does not make a business tycoon by any stretch of the imagination. Godfrey wouldn't make a pimple on a decent CEO's ass!
For all of those who wish to see Godfrey voted out of office this fall, I would like to reiterate a comment from Dan S from a few days ago - start writing letters to the SE. And more specifically, follow the lead of ozboy and rudi and others who have posted here and attack Godfrey right where he is claiming he is strong - that Ogden city is a business and he has done a great job putting this "business" back on the right path. All kinds of examples are out there to use to refute this claim. They need to be made in the SE on a consistent basis by the citizens of Ogden.
Where does the Squirrel Patrol come up with this nonsense? Who is the PR genius who decides that the exigent campaign strategy for a failed gondola freak, nincompoop, abhorrent liar, abuser of the public trust and moneys, and teeny-weeny, small-small-small man is to compare a municipal government with a corporation? You gotta lover these onion-loving haters of squirrels and promoters of golden gondolas as financial panaceas, who think a $65 million public bowling-alley-and-Whack-A-Mole anchored development is an "accomplishment." I have an extra dictionary for you douchewads to read. Plus, if you Squirrel Patrolers want to tout resumes, remember that Lying Little Matty Gondola Godfrey failed at every job he held in the private sector. Furthermore, take a look at these business geniuses touting Lying Little Matty's economic and financial mental largesse: trust-fund gravy-trainers, dupe relatives, gondola freaks, Ballantynes, ex-truck drivers and real estate hustlers. All we need now are some letters from the Allens and the Blodgetts! THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE
One thing that may inhibit some from writing letters is that while we read lots of info on malfeasance and skulldugery here on WCF, we don't all have hard facts to back up these claims. If anyone can post specific info - ie, how do we prove that the city will own Fat Cats and Gold Gym's equipment if the Junction goes belly-up, then maybe more people will write letters.
I for one felt inhibited writing about things that I have no firsthand knowledge of even though I tend to believe those posting here for the most part.
Both of today's SE letter writers maintain that Ogden was DEAD when Godfrey took office. The stupidity of that idea speaks for itself.
This is the tried and true formula - convince people that there is a crisis, so the foolish will embrace your solution, whatever it is. It worked for Hitler, for Lenin, for chairman Mao, and for every other tyrant.
These people are all on the take and on the make. Ogden was better before they came. Godfrey has made Ogden worse, not even counting the $100 million in debt. If Godfrey is reelected, the things that make Ogden unique will be stolen from us.
Good point, Dan S.
And if the corporate analogy holds up, why can't we, the stockholders, oust management at an annual shareholders' meeting?
That's how it's done in the corporate world.
Ogden lover,
All the things that you have read on the blog are true and it can all be backed up by the simplest GRAMA request.
As everyone in Ogden knows, Justin Eccles is part of Ogden's aristocratic "Upper Class."
The first time I ever met this poor misguided schmuck was at a Chamber event, where he introduced himself thusly:
"Hello. I'm Justin Eccles. And I used to be a "Stake President."
I'm a Catholic, I had no friggin' idea what the old geezer was talking about. I just patted him on the head and headed over to the free sandwiches.
All I can say is that this old fart ain't far enough away from a rest-home residence to suit me.
Did the Standard-Examiner "screw up" by publishing his letter?
Registered to vote:
Slight correction, Justin Eccles is from the "wannabee" aristocratic upper class of Ogden.
There was a split in the Eccles family after David (the original empire builder) died in 1912. His Logan family headed up by son Marriner was the branch that went on to build upon the Eccles fortune inspite of the fact they were the lesser, and poorer, branch at the time.
The Ogden branch of the Eccles family, (Bertha Eccles & children), inherited the lion share of David's wealth, and were for the most part a bunch of spendthrift, carousing near do wells and worthless play boys who squandered the majority of the family fortune that they inherited. I believe over time they lost most of it to Marriner and his brothers!
I believe that this Justin and his son Royal are descended from the loser branch of the Eccles tree. That branch of the family has been posing and pretending to be big and important every since.
The Logan family, again headed by Marriner and lately by Spencer Jr., are the vastly successful ones that we think of when we think Eccles. They are the ones with all the money and presitige, they are the ones that do so much for charity in Utah, they are the ones that are really important, not these local wannabee's.
History
How does Val Eccles fit in this picture? He is the one that had the bar at the old post office about twenty years ago with Bill Glasmann.
Also how about Willard Eccles who used to be a pretty big playboy in Ogden in the fifties? Wasn't he the father or Justin?
history buff --
Better do more research on Marriner Eccles before you become an expert on who is and who is not important in the Eccles clan.
Marriner Eccles was the oldest of nine children born in Logan to migrant David Eccles and Ellen Stoddard Eccles.
In 1924 Marriner and his brother, George, joined with the Browning Family in Ogden to form the Eccles-Browning Affiliated Banks. In June 1928 Marriner and George Eccles with E. G. Bennet of Idaho Falls organized the First Security Corporation as a holding company for their 17 banks and a savings and loan institution.
The Great Depression of the 1930s created a crisis in the banking industry. First Security arranged a merger in 1932 to save the oldest national bank in Utah, Deseret National Bank in Salt Lake City.
President Franklin Roosevelt's administration called on Marriner to draft the Emergency Banking Act of 1933, the Federal Housing Act of 1934, the 1933 act creating the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and was appointed to head the Federal Reserve System in 1935 which he served as Governor for 17 years. He helped create the World Bank and International Monetary Fund in 1946.
Marriner created many millionaires in Ogden in 1976 by leading Utah Construction to be sold to General Electric with a purported exchange of stock, 1000 to 1 exchange.
Spence Eccles, the last President of First Security Corporation, bankrupted the bank which was taken over by Wells-Fargo. Now retired to prominent Salt Lake social circles, he was no businessman.
Marriner's son, John Eccles, was a well-known Ogden photographer and philanthropist.
Who was or is prominent in the Eccles family is largely a matter of personal perspective. The question of who contributed to our banking system as we now know it has been very well established.
The Federal Reserve Building in Washington, D.C. was renamed in 1982 after Marriner's death in 1977.
It still remains the Marriner S. Eccles Federal Reserve Board
Building.
I invite those of you who are new to Ogden to visit the Bertha Eccles Community Art Center in Ogden which is located in the old Eccles mansion on Jefferson Avenue.
Marriner Eccles was an FDR New Dealer? Part of FDR's "brain trust?" By god, I knew there was something I liked about him! Just couldn't recall what as I was reading the posts. Now I know.
Good man, Marriner was. Sound judgment.
Because of the banks and all their bologna, I belong to a credit union.
All a matter of perspective -
You and "history buff" both seem to know your Eccles history.
I was a bit amused at your snarky reply to history buff. You came on like you were going to teach him/her a thing or two about Eccles history, yet what you wrote, which appeared to be cut and pasted from some other source, didn't seem to contradict anything that history buff wrote. So where was he/she wrong in the brief Eccles history written?
I also didn't particularly think that "history buff" was representing her/him self as "an expert on who is and who is not important in the Eccles clan". You however did with your google-cut-paste treatise on the Eccles clan! So as the apparent authority on the Eccles', how about setting us all straight on just who is important in that family. Does Justin and Royal make the cut?
I have a passing knowledge of the Eccles story myself, and I'm not too sure just how Justin and Royal fit into the over all picture. Perhaps you could enlighten us on this?
I think your appraisal of Spence Eccles is pretty far off the mark. He certainly did not "bankrupt the bank" as you claim. He did oversee the merger of First Security and Wells Fargo. Regardless of what you think about his business acumen, he was CEO and he came to that position through a life time of hard work and dedication to First Security. He also beat out all other Eccles descendents for the position, including some who were much more in line hereditarily than he. He is also a first class gentleman and is respected far and wide in Utah business circles. On top of that, he and his daughter Lisa have the very best Eccles job of all, they are in charge of giving all that money away!
And Melvin, Val Eccles is the grandson of Marriner and the son of the aforementioned photographer John. He and Bill G. were partners in the "Court House" night club, probably Ogden's finest in history, although it didn't last very long.
Willard Eccles was the brother of Marriner and youngest son of the Logan David Eccles family. He was a pretty flamboyant character and as I recall was in charge of all the buildings and facilities of First Security.
Ozboy:
Your pal, Bob Geiger, is in charge of the Squirrel Patrol's night sign mission! THE SKI IS BEAUTIFUL BLUE.
The only reason First Security did not actually go into bankruptcy was because each Eccles who personally still owned stock in First Security had their stock called as part of the transfer.
One day the story will be told.
I remember the disastrous financial trouble First Security got into over one of the first Wolf Creek development deals.
To save the bank Eccles family members were forced to sell stock that had a very low cost basis which caused huge tax problems for the individuals because the group taking over wouldn't do the deal without getting all the family owned shares.
I vaguely remember some of the details.
Jason
As far as my little buddy Bobby G. goes, all I can say is that I always knew he would make it someday!
I don't think Wolk Creek was a big enough deal to seriously weaken First Security. I know they also took a bath in Park City real estate around the same time - if you can even picture that now! I bought a couple of houses from them in PC on spec. Unfortunately I sold waaaayyy too soon but still made a few bucks.
I have had extensive dealings with First Security and Wells Fargo for thirty years now, and was never aware of them being in such trouble as some here think they were. I would be interested to hear of any real details on this idea, if any exist. I know I held some stock in 1st Security at the time of the merger and do not particularly remember getting hosed on it. I know I got more than Zion was offering although I do not recall the numbers anymore.
If Spence had to give up a lot of FSB stock, the fact remains that he sure had a hell of a lot more of it in his sock!
Crum:
Rudi:
Any word in any charges, being brought up on Godfrey's goldenboy Geeiger. For steeling Hansen's signs.
Whats the follow through with OPD at this point.
Will the cowards at the S E run the facts they've found?
Sounds like there is some misunderstanding, re: the Eccles Family in Ogden. A plug for a couple local history events that will in part highlight the role the Eccles have played in the development of the City and larger national arena. (To imply that the Ogden Eccles are in some way unsuccesful is no way honest and true.) One, the Weber County Heritage Foundation homes tour (September 15) will feature the Eccles Historic District and include Marriner Eccles home in Ogden. Two, the Utah Construction Symposium (October 18) held at Weber State will feature information and a lecture on David Eccles and his fellow robber barons (so-to-speak). Always good stuff going on in ogden, hope everyone takes advantage of it.
Always:
Being a non-Ogden or even Utah native, a couple of years ago I attended one of those Utah Construction programs at WSU. I had no idea at the time about the company, its founders, or its significance in the history of the American west. Eye opener. It's a mixed bag at the Symposium [as it is at nearly all historical symposia --is that the plural?], and not every presentation is as riveting as we might hope. But overall, the sessions I've attended were well worth the time. Thanks for the heads up on the David Eccles session.
Glad ot hear of the upcoming Eccles Historic District Tour. Y'all know who currently owns the Marriner Eccles home? None other than our good friend Tom Moore, he who vomited against blogs in the S-E recently.
Moroni:
Indeed, "Sorry, I'm a drunk" is the rigeur excuse for abhorrent behavior from politicians, but I doubt Bobby G. can use it, given his reputation as a God-fearing Mormon who screams and yells at his fellow parishioners about the virtues of gonoldas, Lying Little Matty Gondola Godfrey, Wayne Peterson's famed Squirrel Patrol, and onions. He'd be better suited to disclose his severe mental illness.
J-Dub: It's the Danite mentality, alive and well and permanent in the Beehive State.
Moroni:
Yes! The members of Wayne Peterson's famed Squirrel Patrol are latter-day descendants of the Tribe of Godfrey, whose Avenging Geigers (curious in their love of onions) will slay all opposition to the stringing of many gondolas over urban thoroughfares!
"Avenging Geigers"!
Ya gotta love it!!
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