Friday, June 09, 2006

Truth-telling Prohibited in Brave New MattGodfreyWorld - Updated Links

By Curmudgeon

The Salt Lake Trib picks up the Standard Examiner Story on Godfrey/Smart Growth Ogden.

Mayor Godfrey has decided, apparently, to change tactics and to try to intimidate his critics into silence. Scott Schwebke broke the story yesterday on the front page of the Standard Examiner and the Salt Lake Tribune has picked it up this morning and added more detail. Story by Kristen Moulton, available here:

Ogden mayor combats gondola critics

The story quotes Mayor Godfrey as saying a map included in a recent SmartGrowthOgden leaflet is "false, misleading and deceptive" and he has warned the organization to "cease and desist" from disseminating it.

The rest of the story explains that the Mayor is flatly refusing to answer questions from SGO and other critics about the basis for claims supporters of the gondola and Peterson real estate speculation have made about it. For example, the story reports, when Godfrey was asked to explain the basis for claiming that the gondola/Peterson project will create 1200 jobs, the Mayor said he would not. When he was asked, the story said, to explain the basis for claiming the projects will bring 1000 extra students a year to WSU, the Mayor said he would not explain. When asked to explain the basis for claiming that the projects will add $10 million a year to Ogden's tax revenues, the Mayor said he would not explain. [Note: the SLTrib story says $5 million, but at one of the Mayor's recent Tuesday night Lift Ogden Cheerleading sessions, he told a constituent "we've raised that estimate to $10 million a year."]

Let me make sure I've got this straight: the Mayor of Ogden City is telling people of his city that a real estate speculation involving city park lands that he favors, and its associated projects, will increase city tax revenues by $10 million dollars a year [or $5 million in the SLT story]. But when asked to explain the basis for that estimate he refuses?

We are all to believe these pie-in-the-sky predictions without any supporting evidence or explanation of how they were reached? And the mayor of Ogden is proposing to sell off 28% of the city's parklands to a real estate speculator to increase tax revenues and he won't tell the voters on what he bases his claims about increased tax revenues?"

I'd be hard put to think of anything that better illustrates the contemptuous approach of the Godfrey administration toward the citizens who put it in office, and who pay its salaries by their taxes than that.

His reason for refusing to answer these questions is that opponents of his gondola scheme "take our information and twist it." The reply to that of course is that good and solid evidence in support of his claims should be able to stand up to questioning in what in well run cities is sometimes called "the market place of ideas." That the Mayor thinks his supporting evidence for his claims can not stand up to public scrutiny is telling.

One more thing: If anyone doubted the Mayor and his Lift Ogden Amen Choir were getting desperate as the public learns more and more about what the Peterson/Godfrey gondola/resort scheme will actually mean, and about how unlikely it is to succeed, how much of Ogden's future they want to mortgage to a wild speculation and about just how much hot air is involved in its promotion, the Mayor's attempt to silence critics by intimidation should make it plain.

It seems more and more of what Mr. Bob Geiger told the Standard Examiner the Lift Ogden folks were keeping secret out of concern that if it came out public opposition to the plan would rise has been coming out. And public opposition has been rising. And so the Mayor and Lift Ogden Amen Chorus are worried.

They have reason to be.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

A few weeks ago, Smart Growth sent Mayor Godfrey a list of questions. It appears that Smart Growth has posted both the letter and the mayor's response on its website.

Anonymous said...

Why is it that our Mayor is always calling others LIARS but refuses to look in the mirror? I think that He should be reminded to read 2 Nephi 9:34:

"Wo unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell."

And he should also be reminded that It does not say shoved, kicked or pushed, but does say "will be THRUST Down to HELL!!!

And that he should start telling the public the truth. or it will come back to bite him in the ---.

Anonymous said...

With the mess in Ogden, I'm so glad Bill Hansen is running for County Commissioner. He's a man of honor. There would be no name blame calling. Just gentlemen principals. He's just flat out a good old boy who cares about people.

Anonymous said...

Smart Growth is standing behind its map:

Smart Growth Ogden stands by its map and the accompanying text, which in all material aspects accurately represent the data and descriptions provided by the city itself. The map was produced from vector data provided by the Ogden City GIS Department on April 21. An image created from the same vector data is still posted on the city's web site... The locations of the features depicted--trails, roads, building sites, and golf course fairways--were not altered by Smart Growth Ogden in any way. All of the conclusions drawn in the text that accompanies our map follow from the data itself; for example, the city's data shows trails in the completed project crossing roads in more than 10 locations, golf holes in 8 locations, and the driving range. If the data is inaccurate then the city, not Smart Growth Ogden, is at fault.

There are also side by side images of the city's map and the Smart Growth map so we can compare them.

Smart Growth Response

Anonymous said...

Godfrey is the one who is spreading false, misleading and deceptive information. It's usually the ones who have a habit of not telling the truth that bitch the loudest when confronted with the truth. I can see the whole project/scam starting top twirl down the toilet.

Anonymous said...

TLJ:

I wondered many things about the list. Like, for example, do they all live in Ogden? They may. I don't know.

I did note that it contains the usual Godfrey/Lift Ogden line that the signers support the creation of 1200 new jobs and support raising $4 million a year for Ogden schools. Let me go on the record right now saying that I too support, enthusiastically bringing 1200 new jobs to Ogden and I support enthusiastically raising $4 million more a year for Ogden's schools. Of course, I don't think the Godfrey/Peterson land specualtion scheme will do either of those things. And the ad, as is usual with Godfrey and Lift Ogden, simply assumes the plan will do all that. No details. No evidence in support. Nothing but unsupported claims by real estate promoters.

Let's take jobs, for instance. First, the projects will absolutely create construction jobs. And a lot of them. But construction jobs are, by their nature, temporary. Once the project is built, the jobs disappear. The clear intent of the ad and most of Lift Ogden's propaganda is to suggest that the gondola/development projects will create 1200 full time permanent jobs.

Will it? Most ski-related jobs are seasonal. [How many people does Snow Basin employ, for example, in June compared to January?]. How many of the 1200 jobs will be part time? Or only seasonal? How many of those that will be full time and year round will be at the lowest end of the wage scale --- that is, minimum wage or close? I don't know. And Mayor Godfrey has said recently that he does not intend to answer questions like that, allegedly because gondola opponents "twist" the information. Of course, it is also possible that his and Lift Ogden's basis for the claim about jobs can't stand up to public scrutiny. As long as the Mayor refuses to talk, it's impossible to know.

Now about the predicted school revenues. They presumably will come from increased property taxes, which will be based on the assessed value of the alleged 400 homes Mr. Peterson will build on the 28% of our city's park lands that he wants to buy, and on the assessed value of the Malan's Basin property if it is annexed to Ogden. Well, the assessed value depends initially on what the housing units will sell for [presuming 400 can in fact be built given the deeply sloped portions of some the land located in a seismically sensitive zone on which he intends to build. In fact, construction is currently banned by Ogden on some of that land].

What will these vacation villas [however many he can squeeze in] sell for? We don't know. Will the market support four hundred units selling for what Mr. Peterson will ask? We don't know. Is a ski operation feasible in Malan's Basin at all? We don't know. Once again, the Mayor and Lift Ogden's tactic seems to be to promise the sun, the moon, the stars, and two Hummers in every Ogden gargage if only we will agree to sell off our parklands and sink millions into a downtown gondola to deliver customers to Mr. Peterson, without providing any supporting evidence that all of it will or can work.

If the gated community of vacation villas is not successful, if the Malan's Basin development flops, there aren't going to be all those millions more for the schools. Not to mention the fact that the city will be left with a hugely expensive downtown gondola built with city funds connecting with a mountain gondola going to a failed resort. Remember, the gondola system will not connect to Snow Basin.

So, once again, the ad simply assumes all these schemes are feasible. That they can and will succeed. While providing no supporting evidence that this is so.

Imagine that.

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