By Kent Jorgenson
I’ve worked in marketing and public relations the majority of my professional life and always provided clients a variety of options when trying to sell an idea. That doesn’t mean I didn’t have a favorite idea but at least I gave them options. Why don’t we have any options when it comes to the Malan’s Basin, Mt. Ogden Golf Course and Gondola development? Why does it have to Option A or nothing?The reality is that Chris Peterson, the proposed developer of the project is in a position of power because he owns a lot of the land we use for our trails. He is also in a position to become our friend or foe. Why not work with him and build a development that benefits all parties.
Why not allow Chris Peterson to purchase and build a “small” resort development on the south end of the golf course on city land and then link it to Malan’s Basin via Gondola? The development would be privately funded and managed; therefore it would create no risk for the city or its taxpayers. As part of the deal we can require no motorized vehicles be allowed or roads be developed on the property. Mr. Peterson can also continue to fund the development and preservation of our trails.
Mr. Peterson, on his own dime, can develop phase one of the project and that will allow the city and its residents the opportunity to see if the concept really attracts outside business investment and tourism to Ogden. If they can justify building the gondola from downtown to the university with hard data, then we can proceed at that time.
A shared solution development would allow Ogden to benefit from a multi-million dollar investment from Chris Peterson, provide Ogden the ability to market something that is unique (an urban gondola), and allow its citizens to retain our highly valued open space and trail network. To me this seems like a win-win solution.
In the meantime, why not follow our current twenty-year transportation plan and recommendations of the recent corridor study (downtown to WSU/McKay-Dee Hospital) and develop an efficient, well used transit corridor using Bus Rapid Transit or vintage/modern street car technology. The third party study indicates the corridor is justified and is a top priority for residents throughout Weber and Davis Counties. The plan already has a funding source in place and federal dollars can be used to help defray the cost.
What if we wanted the system sooner rather than later? Then county residents would need to step up like they have before and develop an additional source of funding. A project like this is absolutely possible to complete in a shorter timeframe than ten, fifteen or twenty years.
The tourists who won’t use a bus or street car to get from downtown to Mr. Peterson’s resort development can be shuttled by private carrier (i.e. limousine or shuttle service).
Everyone knows we need more economic development in Ogden, but we don’t want to sell our souls in the process. We also have to deal with reality and understand compromise is better than nothing. Let’s work together instead of focusing on our differences to create a community we can be proud of and call our own.
Kent Jorgenson, Mt. Ogden Neighbor and Ogden City Resident
Comments, anyone?
Did his short bio leave out his 4-year-tour as a Godfreyite Rubber Stamp... or voter promise flip-flopper?
Would anybody in their right mind trust Jorgenson around the corner with their wallet?
(It's no secret the lyin' sack's running for Mayor, BTW.)
Have at it, gentle readers... heheh!
23 comments:
Maybe this has been addressed already, but there's something that I thought of today.
In order for the gondola to go from the golf course to the top of Mount Ogden, it's going to have to cross federally owned land. My question is this - will the city get approval from the forest service before the golf course and WSU land is sold, or will the public lands be sold before the forest service gives permission for the gondola to cross the federal land?
If Mr. Jorgenson had exercised this sort of rational thought and advocated for smart win win situations when he was on the council, he still would be.
I never thought I would think it, but I have to agree with Kent fully on this.
If Chris Peterson wants to build his gondola and "mountain resort..."
More power to him.
As the Sinclair Spokesman sez... Good luck.
Please remove your commie head from your derriere, Kent, and let the free market take care of the problem.
Peterson either has the "juice" or he doesn't.
If he has it, he should start building the danged thing right now.
If he DOESN'T... he should just STFU up and leave the citizens of Ogden ALONE.
There's no friggin way any rational taxpayer would put ONE FRIGGIN' DIME into this entirely speculative "plan."
Rational people don't "weigh" bad ideas against good ones.
Fer chrissake... the little mayor has no idea how much the Mt. Ogden Parkland is worth in fair market value. He doesn't even know how much a gondola will cost.
Neverless he and Dumb Chris are busy selling the idea to a pack of Lift Ogden Bobbleheads who've fallen in love with the "vision..."
without even asking one time how much it will all cost.
Gawd save us from you bobbleheads, Kent!
The only flaw in Mr. Jorgenson's plan is that it is predicated on Peterson being able to fund this whole project with out this other rigamarol as part of the deal. They seem to cast some doubt themselves when they say the up mountain gondola and resort will be built from proceeds of sales of million dollar homes on the golf course.
The question then becomes - what happens if the city sells the golf course, builds the down town gondola, and Peterson doesn't sell enough million dollar houses in Ogden to build the up mountain leg and resort. Will Ogden then be stuck with this enormous white elephant that will further drive the city into insolvency?
If this deal has even half a chance of succeeding it has to have all the money up front to build every part of it simultaneously. Or, do it in an intelligent fashion like Mr. Jorgenson suggests. It will be interesting to see just how much up front money Peterson is bringing in. Will the Holding money be invested in this? Will banks loan the money to do this? If it is a truly good idea, the answers will be yes!
What possible use to Ogden citizens would a gondola from 23rd & Wall to the College be? Might be a few students ride it, but how could that help the common citizen of Ogden?
Kent...have you been reading Mercy Livermore and me?
We've, along with others, suggested that Chris build his gondola to his resort FIRST... on his nickel....IF it proves to be a draw for toourists and locals....record keeping a must...for 3 years, then we'll look at more of his and Godfrey's plan.
What do you mean a small resort at one end of the golf course??
I thot he wanted to develop a Tyrolean resort in Malan's Basin!
I did hear him say yesterday, that he wanted to build some type of commrce on WSU land.
What gives?
Let's see how successful he is with the gondola, as originally sold to the masses, and what he can accomplish at the Basin.
I think I'm reading correctly that the taxpayers get involved in financial support at some point. (gasp).
Also, with a gondola moving 11 to 14 mph....and no roads to the Basin....what will happen if a fire is raging, avalance rescue is needed, illness, or some other emergency that requires QUICK action??? Oh yes, a helicopter could be utilized...but not for fires...and a HUGE emergency requiring several ambulances, for instance.
I don't think this plan has been thoughtfully prepared and we still don't know how solvent Chris really is. We don't know what he's done to develp anything the magnitude of what he's proposing.
Also...how long would all this take before we see businesses springing up and all those homes built and sold??
Ogden has much to offer the nature loving folks.
Kent...I am pleased to see you mention the vintage streetcars. It is true that federal funds would be available for them.
Let's not rush into anything. It's the mayor's MO to operate in 'crisis mode'...and as if everything he wants is a 'done deal'.
This needs to be put on the ballot. That's the AMERICAN WAY, even tho Godfrey says, 'that's not the way our gov't works."
Thanx for writing. Use your good compromising skills to encourage Matt, if not too late, to get that meat packaging and refrigeration plant here to employ 625 people at above average wages, PLUS health benefits!
"I never thought I would think it, but I have to agree with Kent fully on this."
Whatcha bin smokin, Ozboy?
Kin I have some?
Chris Peterson doesn't have a dime of his own, dumbass.
You spent your whole life in public relations?
It figures.
You obviously don't know squat about business.
Imagine this, Red:
Those people don't LIVE here with the bobbleheaded kid mayor and his visionless gang.
They don't live here where a non-developer is trying for a land grab from a little squirt who thinks his legacy will be a magnificent gondola, but which in reality will just be ugly towers dotting the beauty of our countryside.
And, those people won't be paying through the nose for decades to come.
captainredbeard said...
"I was reading a thread on KSL.com about the gondola There are 23 comments on it. Which are in large part...positive!"
Positive? See for yourself:
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=258632&comments=true
I'm still waiting for some information about what I asked at the beginning of this thread.
CC,
Most presentations I have heard include a ski lift above the Malan's resort over forest service land as an option, and is not part of the base proposal. So I would think the public land would be be sold before the forest service is even asked for permission,
But even if the gondola didn't go to the very top of Mount Ogden, it would still have to cross federal land between the golf course and Malan's Basin, right?
Actually, I'm on the Weber County Recorder's Office webpage right now, and the city-owned parcel that's just to the northeast of the top of 36th Street is adjacent to Peterson's property. So if the gondola just went from the golf course development up to a village in Malan's Basin, it wouldn't have to cross any federally owned land.
And yes, according to the recorder's office website, there are delinquent taxes owed on CP's property.
I don't know about you, but I would hope that a city would be hesitant to sell off beautiful open space to someone who owes back taxes, let alone someone who has never even developed a residential subdvision before.
CC and Southsider, et al,
Don't make any bets that the city wouldn't do business with a 'developer' who is delinquent in back taxes. Remember that Fat Cats Bowling Alley the one that is underwritten by US has a 'slow and late pay' rating and one or more liens. That information didn't faze the mayor when pushing for the rec center to anchor the mall.
Also, at the presentation CP made at Union Station...he said he wanted to extend another (about) 800 feet above his resort and said he'd need permission from the Forest Service....but hadn't yet applied for!
3 letters FOR this nutsy and costly 'plan' in today's paper. The reader can tell that these authors have not a clue about the risks and the costs.
But then, WE don't know the costs yet either.....we just know they'll be heavy. Another of the mayor's 'secrets.'
As has been noted here before, winds were clocked at 113 mph at WSU a few years ago.
Several LARGE trees were uprooted! Our own yard looked like a tornado had come thru due to the scattered branches and big limbs torn away.
CP and the mayor have minimalized the winds down the canyon. Have you ever been buffeted by those strong winds on Hwy 89 just over the RR tracks going South?
Also,no road at Malan's Basin? Disaster waiting.
Asque...you are right on. Ogden citizens hold all the power. Just say NO.
Most of those arguing for the gondola/Mt. Ogden sale scheme are wealthy businessmen. One wonders how they managed to have wealth if they didn't have all the answers before investing or developing any project. Of course, they could've just married the money, like CP.
That wouldn't take much business acumen. Perhaps a few dozen roses, boyish grins, and some BS thrown in to seal the deal.
hey chris peterson,
I think that the people are so hungry for some thing in ogden that all you are giving them is a hamburger, and I looks so good to them right now and they will eat it. but when they pull open the two buns, (that is chris and matt) they will finally say where is the beef and you will not have any for them. so where is the beef?
well that says it all.
I think that the mayor is filling that hamburger buns with bolonga, and I would like to know where's the beef also. like where are the financial numbers to a line item so we can really see the beef and not the bolonga?
Oh there it is.
do all of you see it.
It is under the pickel, you know the mayors candy that he is feeding to every one.
the bolonga is in that meat company that matt needs to woo.
but,we get a lot of BALONEY served to us daily.
did you catch that great commentary in the SE today? By Neill??? Now, that's where the beef is! Terrific.
A whole lot of good stuff here.
Well done Rudi
Still maintaining a brilliant blog.
Keep on blogging.
your a genius rudi
thanks for blogging rudi
To sum up much of what's been posted: this project is a very speculative gamble. Under no circumstances should the gamble be made with public money. Or land.
As for Mr. Jorgenson's Option B: it has three elements to it that I think are essential to any conceivable "compromise" plan: (a) it does not involve selling the golf course and undeveloped city recreational land above it (b) it does not involve construction of the downtown to WSU gondola (c) it does not involve so far as I can see the investment of any public funds.
Also, on the likelihood of those 400 properties being sold for 750K each: each buyer would be gambling that the promised full development [new golf course, up mt. tyrolean complex, --- i.e. a "four season resort"] would in fact be built, but it could not be built unless all the homes are sold at the list price for that is where the money to build it is supposed to come from.
Anyone familiar with the... well, let's just say "interesting" ... history of resort property "phase" development... "the golf course will be added during Phase II, and the new Olympic Swimming Pool during Phase III!" ... knows that the promised amenities to be added in subsequent phases [financed by the prior phases] do not always materialize. Often they do. But sometimes they do not. It's a gamble for the buyers, which is one reason successful resort developers tout their prio successful projects when pitching portential buyers [investors, really] for their new properties.
Finally, it seems that a good portion of the land on which Mr. Peterson wants to build vacation homes is land the city has already determined [via zoning ordinances] is land on which it is not safe to build. Hizzonah and Mr. Peterson will apparently have to get those safety-based zoning ordinances withdrawn or amended to allow him to build where he wants to build. Oddly, though, Mr. Peterson did not mention that in his presentations, nor is the Mayor mentioning that in his Tuesday night soirees.
Imagine that.
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