As this morning's headline Standard-Examiner story reports, the
OGDEN — After reviewing a flood of data, the city council decided Thursday night to pursue a scenario that includes $51.6 million in financing to upgrade Ogden’s antiquated water system.For those who haven't been closely following this story, we'll provide a little background. As many of you will recall, Mayor Godfrey announced last summer that the city would be imposing a flat 13.4% water rate hike, because current rates were not sufficient to support the water utilities expenses of the Emerald City Public Works Department. The chief source of the revenue shortfall (aside from the dilapidated water infrastructure itself) was water conservation. In short, the citizens of Emerald City were not using enough water to cover the water department's expenses, so Boss Godfrey decided, with no studies or data whatsoever, to just jack up everyone's rates across the board.
The scenario was among three options considered by the council during a work session to review results of a $67,000 draft study completed by Lewis, Young, Robertson and Burningham, a Salt Lake City consulting firm.
The city council plans to present the scenario to the public during a meeting later this month and may adopt the option by the end of the year.
The scenario calls for the issuance of $51.6 million in bonds next year to complete all necessary water distribution and sewer projects, purchase equipment to correct water odor and taste problems and partially fund stormwater projects.
In June of last year Council leadership (Garcia and Wicks) began their own initiative to craft an intelligent solution to the water infrastructure/rate problem, and in the intervening period have commissioned and received an expert's study, specifically identifying the costs necessary to rehabilitate our aging water system, and formulating a specialized rate structure which will not unfairly penalize those of us who practice responsible water conservation.
Today's Scott Schwebke article reports on the current status of this council project, in which connection we offer today's Weber County Forum Tip O' the Hat to the Ogden City Council and especially Chairman Garcia and Vice-chairwoman Wicks. There will be no hat tip of course for Boss Godfrey, who has dragged his little feet throughout this whole process.
On a second topic, we link today's Scott Schwebke story, in which he reports that House Representative and former mayoral candidate Neil Hansen has joined with council members Garcia and Jeske in endorsing Susan Van Hooser's mayoral candidacy in Tuesday's municipal general election. As our readers will recall, Hansen and Van Hooser together pulled nearly 60% of the anti-Godfrey vote in the primary election, in which connection we strongly urge all former Hansen supporters to get onboard the Van Hooser bandwagon.
In the event that the voters of Ogden City show Boss Godfrey the stage door exit on Tuesday, we'll be lobbying here at WFC for a full-blown ticker-tape parade in January. Consider the possibilities, former Hanson supporters. We know none of you would want to miss a landmark community event like that.
And in closing we'll highlight a couple of today's Std-Ex letters to the editor, and one other interesting item.
First, we direct our readers' attention to today's Christopher Bentley letter, in which he references the much ballyhooed Godfrey "declaration," whereby mayor Godfrey purportedly imposes legal restrictions upon his evil self, which would prohibit his selling of our Mt. Ogden Parkland to Chris Peterson (or any other of his cronies, we presume.) We've had numerous requests for the publication of this document; and as luck would have it, one of our alert readers sent us and electronic copy this morning. Here it is in PDF format, gentle readers. Decide for yourselves the meaning of all this.
Next, we'll spotlight this Tom Owens letter, in parable form, which presents an interesting analogy to the financial predicament in our beloved Emerald City. We found this letter to be particularly delightful, a true example of Mr. Owens' unique literary style.
Finally, we'll note that the Standard-Examiner webmaster seems to have given us something of a sneak peak at the newspaper's upcoming mayoral "recommendation". The Godfrey and Van Hooser video interviews are now up on the Std-Ex website, which can be accessed from our own video interview archive page. We hope the Std-Ex editors will get on with their endorsement. Time is running out; and frankly, the suspense is killing us (wink). How much longer will we have to wait before the Suits from Sanduskey will do what we already know their Godfrey House Propagana Organ will inevitably do, i.e. endorse Boss Godfrey for a Third-term Reign if Terror?
That's it, gentle readers. We'd appreciate your taking the wheel from here. Unlike our city council, we're running out of steam.
43 comments:
Leaving the issue raised in C. Bentley's excellent letter, I find the whole declaration put forth by the mayor to be absolutely worthless. As it reads, the mayor signed a document on behalf of Ogden City that says that Ogden city has declared that Ogden City cannot sell the golf course and park lands, etc. etc. How could this possibly have any legal standing? Can I contract with myself to prevent myself from doing something? Since I am the only party in the contract, why can't I simply void the contract? What really gets me, though, is that the SE published an article allowing the mayor to say look at me, I've created covenants, conditions and restrictions for use of Mt Ogden golf course without questioning at all whether such a document is legally meaningful. Seems to me that the council's acceptance of the Mt Ogden community plan does much more to protect Mt Ogden park than the mayor's declaration to himself.
As usual, you people have missed the most important news of the day. Since I have been unable to get quoted in the Ogden paper lately, I’ve had to use the Salt Lake paper. You can read the article here.
The key quote in the article is below.
“That's what got everybody engaged," acknowledges a key backer, Bob Geiger, chief operations officer for Descente USA.
Yes, after being in bed together for the past two years, I, the mayor, and our cronies in the yaysayer community have now all decided to get engaged. Even more exciting, we all took a fun bus to Wendover to tie the knot! Unfortunately, when we arrived we were told that “yays” are not a legally protected minority like “gays” and so we could not all be married to each other.
Worse, Matt Godfrey insisted he be married to Blain Johnson, and Mike Dowse chose my father, leaving me to choose from Dave Hardman, Kent Peterson, Royal Eccles, and Sue Wilkerson. (Gadi grabbed Rupert right off.) So when Kent grabbed Sue, I simply shook my head and climbed back on the bus.
And as far as the endorsement of VanHooser by all those other elected officials, it is ridiculous! We among the “yays” have been trying to get endorsements for Godfrey for months with no luck! So finally we decided simply to start claiming endorsements, like from the governor. After all, he should have endorsed Matt!
Anyway, just remember that Ogden, thanks to Matt and people like me, has become the world’s leading center for the “yay” community. Four more years, and we will make the entire city yay.
Love, Bob Geiger
Cato:
That story by the SE, treating the Mayor's "declaration" and its contents as factually accurate, without so much as bothering to run them past, so far as we know, even the SE's house attorneys, is a prime example of the slipshod reporting and editing standards at the Standard of which we have seen far too many examples over the last two years. The story left the impression that the Mayor had in fact created restrictive covenants that would prevent him, in a new term, from selling off the parklands. What he did could be reversed by the the same process at any time. Did the SE look into that? Examine the city ordinances that might apply? Seek outside legal opinion to evaluate the Mayor's "declaration." Apparently not.
Hey Bob,
Now you know why you can’t get quoted anymore. If you read your own post it’s obvious your prose is no match for Blain’s. And who wants to be yay with a guy whose hair keeps falling off?
Besides, when was the last time you bough me lunch?
Bite me.
Oh! it is sooo, like, good to have bob and matt posting here.
I laffed so hard, Pompadorios, that my husband cme in to see what was so funny.
Most deliteful.
"projects......benifitting Ogden generally" is a scary declaration. So, we do not have any protections from the midget.
But then, didn't we all know the weasal would put together another high-sounding sham?
Only about 10% read the Opinion page, and listen to news (in any discerning mode) and heven only knows how many are diserning or questioning when reading headlined stories in the paper....if they even subscribe to a paper.
Wonder if Matt will show up at the "Meet the Candidates" tonite at the Union Station?
If he does, pls put a muzzle on him, or have him sit over the section of platform that dumps him into the alligator pool below.
He will attempt to take the womens' time and bluster his little glib self into hysteria.
7 pm tonite....only 8 questions from the audience will be asked...so have a good one ready to write down.
Since it appears Chris Bentley has seen the mayor's "proclamation" regarding "protecting" Mount Ogden Golf Course, and since it appears to be much less than what Godfrey promoted it to be, I wonder if we could all see a copy? One supposes something the mayor has done that is that "significant" should be seen by all.
Interesting that Mayor Godfrey is quoted as saying that people say terrible things about him but none of it comes from the people he works with.
That is very simple to explain. The people he works with don't dare say anything negative about him. Otherwise they would be fired.
There are numerous incidences that are common knowledge of women employees being called into his office and leaving in tears. He does love to browbeat some of the women.
And the women Godfrey beats up on don't even have to be employees.
One incident the City Hall people like to whisper about is the woman who wrote a negative letter to the editor about him and he called her in to tell her off.
She left in tears.
Ogden Company Decides to Build New Industrial Shop In Idaho:
From the SE's MidDay Update [on its free website]:
Utah steel company picks Pocatello for new plant
POCATELLO, Idaho -- A Utah steel fabrication company has decided to build a new shop in Pocatello.
Executives with Petersen Inc., based in Ogden, also say they will hire about 250 workers for the new facility.
The plant will be an extension of Petersen's Ogden plant ... which specializes in steel fabrication, precision machining and field services.
Pocatello City Council President Brian Underwood says it's a positive step forward anytime a new business comes to town and he praised those who worked hard to make the deal happen. The company had considered at least one other city in southeast Idaho for its expansion plans.
So, a company already here decides to build new production facilities in Idaho instead of Ogden. Interesting story in light of recent discussion and election day claims. I suspect it's Pocatello's world famous urban gondolas that made the difference. FYI. The SE's MidDay Update can be found here.
No, Curm, what would be interesting would be the reason's why. Which may or may not have anything to do with Ogden.
I just forced myself to watch the Mayor's interview on the SE webpage. He and I must be living on different planets. I never realized that dissent made the city stronger because differing points were examined, considered, and incorporated to make the final product better.
Here it was, I thought we were all incompetent, stupid, naysayers and CAVES whose input was totally ignored until right before election day when opinion polls showed the mayor was in trouble.
Let's face it Curm. Basic metals companies have no future in Ogden. Despite their record of providing above-average wages for decades, they don't fit mayor Godfrey's "cool" vision of "sexiness."
The big industries here will be based on Britney Spears, Paris Hilton and Bobby Geiger.
For some odd reason, the little dork from Harrisville thinks he's a "happn'n guy.
Deal with it.
This will be the reality if Godfrey is re-elected.
Daps:
Well, I think it's interesting news, regardless of the grounds for the Petersen Company's decision. Would be interesting to know what factors weighed in the decision. As I've said here on several occasions, when someone claims that an out of state company opening somewhere in Utah not named Ogden constitutes a "failure" of the Godfrey administration, that Ogden may never have been in the running because it didn't possess what the company was looking for in a new site. And the the simple fact that a company looking in Utah doesn't come here does not constitute a "failure" of the Godfrey administration.Though the argument may carry a little more weight when it's a company already here that opts to go elsewhere in the region.
But hey, Daps, you didn't expect me to pass up the chance for another whack at the "gondola" fiasco, now, did you? That kind of will power I do not possess. The opportunity was just too tempting.... a flat slow hanging curve over the meat of the plate. I had to take a swing. [grin].
Better work on that swing a bit more cause I think you just foul tipped it.
But you are right regarding in state issues, especially when you consider the clustering goals of the State economic office.
But remember when I expand my office to Idaho, it will have nothing to do with Ogden.....unless they office me a sweet incentive to move headquarters!
Just watched the video of Van Hooser's interview. Well said! Let's screw the lid off the top of City Hall and let the sun shine in!
Daps:
Damn. I thought blaming the Petersen decision on Pocatello's world famous urban gondolas was at least a double to right. Tough room.
Speaking of incentives, I wonder how the Utah state incentives program is structured? Is it limited to offering incentives to out of state firms to move here only? Not structured to assist in-state firms looking to expand? I recall some ways back when the states were just getting into the out-bid-your-neighbor game [to the detriment, collectively, of all of them], some were limited to out of state companies, which meant every instate company looking to expand could not get a benefits package, and so was prime game for another state to lure away. I presume the states have fixed all that by now. Just curious.
Dan:
As the old saying goes, where government is concerned, sunshine is the best disinfectant.
Has anybody else noticed how much actor Ed Helms resembles Matt Godfrey?
Click on their names to see what I mean.
Were these guys separated at birth?
One plays an arrogant, self-absorbed incompetent on the TV show The Office.
The other plays, dare I say, the same thing, here in Ogden?
Just watched the Godfrey video. No surprises.
Says we should cheer and celebrate every new increase in the RDA debt.
Totally dodged the urban gondola question with the same line about how he'd rather run a streetcar to the Newgate Mall than to WSU.
Says he's "completely convinced" that Peterson is going to build his resort no matter what Ogden does, and if it's not accessed by gondola he'll just build a road.
Says golf courses are for the elite, and is obviously developing plans for a major redesign of Mt. Ogden Golf Course, funded through mysterious outside sources.
Repeated the same old discredited crime statistics.
Interpreted the open government question to be about the narrow issue of which records can and can't be released under GRAMA--never mind whether he's honest about what he's doing in the first place. But of course, "we have nothing to hide."
Continues to sow fear, uncertainty, and doubt about how the whole city will come to a grinding halt for two or three years if there's a change of administration.
Latest slick negative campaign from Godfrey blames Suzie voting for all the RDA debt. Claims the mayor is not on the board and does not vote, and still claiming to retire city debt in the next 8 years. Hopefully Tuesday we all can get back to enjoying our great city, with Suzie, Amy, Gochnour and Sheila all for open government.
good:
Love it! Godfrey's argument seems now to be, "the city is not mired in debt, but if it is, the council did it!"
They seem to be getting desperate over in City Hall as the election day approaches....
Where did the road to Malan's used to run? It all seems so steep to me.
Was just googling around and found this old article by Cheryl Buchta, published on 6 January 2002, assessing Godfrey's first two years in office. From the article:
Pausing to pull his campaign brochure from his drawer, Godfrey said he checks periodically on his progress.
"We’ve done virtually everything we said we would."
As promised, Godfrey, with the council’s help, has added 16 police officers, lowering Ogden’s crime rate. He’s managed, via a small tax cut, to take Ogden from first to second highest in taxes.
But what will make or break him is whether his proposals to revitalize downtown pan out. To date, his administration has redevelopment plans for 120 acres in downtown.
Godfrey fires off the list of projects under way with the air of a man satisfied with his work: the redevelopment of the Eccles hotel, the creation of the Business Information Center, the Intermodal Hub, the new Internal Revenue Service building, the new amphitheater, the Union Square housing project, and the redevelopment of the Ogden City Mall.
Then he turns to projects that are still in the preliminary stages: the highly ballyhooed high-tech center, the River Project, relocating Bloom’s Recycling off Wall Avenue, another possible IRS expansion, and the occupancy of an empty historic building by a high-tech company.
"I’m very happy with how quickly some of it has come together," he said. But he added that previous administrations laid much of the groundwork that allowed projects to proceed.
Amazing, isn't it, that Godfrey's goals were nearly accomplished after two years, but now he thinks even 8 years isn't enough.
And what about those extra police officers? According to FBI statistics, Ogden had 120 officers in 1999 and 122 in 2001. The number went up to 127 by 2002, but even that is a gain of less than half of the claimed 16. (Sorry to see that even Buchta, whom I always admired, fell into the trap of repeating Godfrey's phony numbers as if they were fact.) In case you're curious, the figure for 2006 was also 127.
Ogden's crime rate really did go down between 1999 and 2001, but then it bounced right back up in 2002.
And finally, it's remarkable that six years ago he was willing to give credit to previous administrations for laying the groundwork--whereas now, Ogden was a "disaster" when he took office.
I was at Grounds for Coffee today and, as I passed by the news rack, I saw this SL Trib article.
Apparently, the polls are showing pretty consistently that vouchers are going down by a 60-40 margin.
So that got me to thinking. We've all been worrying that the voucher vote will be a wild card in the Ogden mayoral election.
It seems to me that the same people that are against vouchers are also more likely than average to vote for a "second-grade schoolteacher" (as the Mayor himself sneered to me).
Still, I would like to see a high turnout, because I think it's deplorable that we have municipal elections decided by 22% of the voting-age population (if my memory of the 2005 figures is correct).
Anyone disagree? Your thoughts?
I just now got time to read yesterday's Trib article on the Huntsman non-endorsement.
"We are grateful for the governor's support," said Godfrey. "Apparently, on each different media, they want us to get their buy-off, so we'll do that."
Two thoughts, assuming Mayor Godfrey was quoted accurately.
1. He doesn't know that "media" is a plural noun.
2. Could the term "buy-off" be some sort of Freudian slip? Last I checked, you "buy off" a judge or other politician when you bribe them. You "sign off" on things you agree with. You "buy into" things you're committed to.
Jim:
My favorite part of that voucher story in the SL Trib was this:
Leah Barker, spokeswoman for the pro-voucher Parents for Choice in Education, acknowledged the figures were disappointing. But she said they are not conclusive in an election that will be dominated by low-interest municipal races. "In a low-turnout election like this one, it's all going to turn on who shows up at the polls," Barker said. "Every single vote has more of an impact. It's going to come down to who is more motivated."
So the pro-voucher forces are now reduced to saying "we know the people don't want vouchers; our only hope is that enough of them will not vote so that we can force vouchers on them anyway." Utah Republicans: seeking the ethical high ground yet again....
Curm:
Maybe we should hand out Oreo cookies at the polls.
Jim:
There's a new story up on the SL Trib website. Here's the headline:
Study: Utah workers losing health insurance at alarming rate
In fact, the story reports, workers are losing health care coverage at their jobs at a faster rate in Utah than in any other state in the Union: In Utah, the share of workers under 65 with employer-provided coverage fell 8.9 percent between 2000 and 2006 - the sharpest decline in the country, shows a new study by the Economic Policy Institute, a nonprofit, nonpartisan think tank.
Thank God our Republican legislators in Congress are protecting Utah workers and their children from extending medicare benefits to all. I'm sure Utah's newly uninsured thousands upon thousands of working adults would rather have no coverage than submit to the kind of government-paid health care the president gets. Until they're over 65, when magically, suddenly, government paid health care becomes OK.
And thank God Cong. Rob Bishop is taking enough time from his brave crusade to prevent post offices from being named after Rachel Carson to stand tall against extending SChip [health care coverage] to the children of working Utah adults who have no coverage for them and cannot afford to buy it. There are more and more of them, according to the SLTrib, every year, and Utah is adding to their numbers at a faster rate here than anywhere else in the nation.
Your Republican leadership at work: children of working parents who can't afford health care, and working adults losing health care coverage at an alarming rate while the President and his party keep assuring us that the economy is doing just fine and that government-paid health care would be far far worse than no care at all. Much of this coming from men and women who were born wealthy and who have never had, and will never have, to worry about whether they pay the rent or the power bill this month, or use the money instead to pay a little part of the cost of the medical care their child needs.
Bah. Tis enough to gag a maggot. The SL Trib story is here. It will probably be in the print edition tomorrow.
Jim:
On the Oreos. It would probably be considered campaigning. But I'm willing to spring for a couple of dozen and mail them to that couple who did the Oreos ad encouraging people to use tax funds to subsidize the upper middle class which sends its kids to private schools.
maybe you should send them to all those golfers who want us to continue subsidizing golfing too.
Susie has posted her first 100 days agenda...interestingly enough she plans to change state law regarding the RDA : "With the assistance of the Redevelopment Agency Board (City Council members), reorganize the RDA"
Of course having the RDA reorganize the RDA will result in what the law requires:
17C-1-203. Agency board -- Quorum.
(1) The governing body of an agency is a board consisting of the current members of the legislative body of the community that created the agency.
The same RDA.
daps,
Thanks for the tip on the 100-day plan.
But what the heck are you talking about? Here's the whole paragraph that you quoted from:
With the assistance of the Redevelopment Agency Board (City Council members), reorganize the RDA, and assign a person from the Business Development Department to serve as Executive Director. We need to reduce the political influence and provide more complete and detailed information and analysis to the RDA board members.
The "RDA Board" is not the same thing as the "RDA", any more than the board of a corporation is the same thing as the corporation.
It looks like Van Hooser is endorsing the same concept that has come up on this blog many times in the past, namely that the RDA director should be someone other than the mayor. I think this is an excellent idea. It just doesn't work to have the mayor wearing two different hats, independent of the council while wearing one and subservient to the council (RDA board) while wearing the other. Under the current system the RDA board has no real authority over the director. In principle they could fire him but it would be almost impossible for them to then move positions around in the Business Development department to free up someone else to be the director. So the reorganization really requires the cooperation of both the mayor and the council.
I just looked up SLC's RDA and guess what? Rocky Anderson isn't the RDA director; it's someone I've never heard of by the name of D.J. Baxter. (Also, although the city council members are (by law) the same as the RDA board members, the council chair isn't the same person as the RDA chair.)
And while looking up the RDA, I just discovered that SLC has a Business Advisory Board. Looks like Van Hooser has borrowed more than one good idea from our neighbor to the south.
Daps:
Sorry, but the internal procedures of the Ogden RDA can be reorganized and redrawn by the RDA board.... For example, as when the RDA Board [aka the Council serving as RDA Board] unanimously altered its procedures so that the Mayor, acting as RDA CEO, could not refuse to disclose who he intended to sell RDA property to, as he had, or his spokesman had, during the Bootjack matter. From what you've quoted of Ms. Van Hooser's piece here, it does not necessarily imply changing Utah's RDA law [which the legislature would have to do]. It does suggest changing Ogden RDA procedures, which is well within the Ogden RDA board's authority.
I will grant you, Daps, that some on WCF occasionally pick nits when looking for ways to criticize the Godfrey administration. I don't find their arguments, when they do that, any more compelling than I find yours when you do the same. As you just attempted to do.
Now, if Mayor Van Hooser concludes that the Utah RDA law needs reforming, then I presume she will direct the city's lobbiest in Salt Lake to work on getting such reforms through the legislature, much as the present Mayor directed the city's lobbiest to work on getting cities the authority to eliminate Public Service Commissions if they wished.
You're reaching, Daps.
Curm, you're driving me nuts. It's lobbyist, not "lobbiest". :-)
Fore:
I don't play golf. The appeal of it escapes me and always has since my days as a caddy at Bethpage, Long Island [five public courses maintained by Nassau County] when I concluded that all golfers were crazy people. However, I fully support the city's operating Mt. Ogden Golf Course as a recreational opportunity for its citizens. I don't play soccer, softball or tennis either, but the city's keeping some soccer fields, softball fields and tennis courts open to all residents I support. I do walk a lot, and hike a bit, so I presume the golfers and soccer players and softball players and tennis players will support the city's trail system as a recreational opportunity open to me.
The idea, Fore, is that cities are communities, and there is a kind of social contract in healthy communities by which citizens support city services and things like parks and playgrounds and golf courses and softball fields and tennis courts and trails, only a few of which they might individually use, because they benefit others in the city, and because they put a wide range of recreational opportunities within reach of many citizens who would otherwise not have them available.
That's why they call them "communities."
Come to think of it, there's another advantage to separating the positions of mayor and RDA director: continuity. As Van Hooser gently points out on her web site, the mayor is going around saying that if he's not reelected, all of his A-team will leave with him and the whole city will come to a grinding halt. (I have to wonder about the maturity of any A-team members who would leave so abruptly even if asked to stay.) But an independent RDA director would have no special allegiance to the mayor, and would therefore provide continuity between administrations for RDA projects.
Dan:
Sorry. It's late, been a stressful week, and I watched a Bush speech on TV earlier... all of which just naturally tends to degrade spelling, syntax and proofreading.
Time... past time... to call it a day and fall into the arms of Morpheus, I think.
I got a phone recording today and want to know if anyone else got it too?
George Bush asked me to vote for Mayor Godfrey!!!!
ko ko ko ko
Anon:
You obviously need to hold onto your powered scooter as you lose this election. If you still choose to drive your car, after the Citizens of Ogden throw you out on your gondola, you will be taken to jail by any of the hundreds of police officers you no longer have the power to intimidate and threaten. They will make their first traffic stop under the Van Hooser Administration, because they want to and not because they have your ticket quota to keep up. You will still act as though you’re still the Supreme Being and resist the officer. This will all be caught on the dash camera, which will hit the news. At that point the world will see that you are, and have always been, a small and insignificant man that has a high pitched squill when pressure is applied. Move out of town and take up following vans as a full time hobby.
P.S.
Does anyone know what happened at the Fire Fighter's debate last night?
Mr. Royal Eccles has a rich and colorful insert in this morning's paper, touting the Junction, the Salomon Center [aren't they part of the same project?], and the River Project, with pictures... or "artists conceptions"... of all. Strangely, there is no picture on his flier of the gondola, which he still wants to build, or of gated walls going up around the Mt. Ogden Park lands which he still wants to sell. Imagine that....
"His topic was not the accuracy [or lack thereof] of the crime statistics claimed by Godfrey and Van Hooser."
Exactly right, Curm. And in out not so humble opinion this morning's fluff piece belonged somewhere on one of the Std-Ex backpages, NOT on the newspaper's front page.
And my only beef with Ms. Johnson's article was that it didn't even bother to question the assumption of the accuracy of Ogden City's crime data.
Once again we find ourselves in disagreement.
Imagine that...
Scooter Boy,
I attended last nite and wrote about it on the above thread.
Rudi:
Hell, disagreement is what makes blogs and horse races interesting. I myself was interested in what the Hinckley Institute guy had to say about how potential voters tend to deal with flatly contradictory "facts" claimed by two candidates. What he said sounded like pretty much seat-of-the-pants observations likely to be made by any long time participant or observer in politics. Nothing particularly surprising, but it was nice to know a pro who studies this kind of thing for a living came to the same conclusions. At the moment, voter behavior is a topic much on my mind. And so the article seemed timely to me.
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