Monday, September 19, 2005

Home Sweet Ogden -- the "Smell" of Success

The Standard-Examiner put its two "top gun" reporters on the front page today, under the delightfully enigmatic headline, "Home Sweet Ogden?"

John Wright writes on the "troubled" Union Square condo project, and Lynze Wardle reports on three other Ogden sluggishly-selling and city-subsidized real estate residential "projects" in our inner city "frontier land." Rather than go into my normally hyper-detailed analysis, I'll just cut through the "happy talk" and set forth the salient details here:

  • Union Square: Only 23 of the 44 Union Square units have sold, since the project's "Phase One" completion in 2004;
  • Jefferson Townhomes: Only 3 of the 7 "pricey"($126,900 and up) townhomes have sold since their completion in 2004;
  • Lincoln Townhomes: It only took eight years to sell all the units;
  • Legacy Park: Only 16 of the 23 lots have sold since the project was first put on the market in 2001. Seven lots remain unsold, even to this day. The rest of the neighborhood continues to deteriorate while the project residents hole-up in their downtown fortress.
Keep in mind, gentle readers, all this has been happening during a period when mortgage interest rates have been at 45-year lows, in a general Utah real estate market which has generally been very "hot." And not only that, the city has provided additional incentives, such as $5,000 "Own in Ogden" grants, and free horse-stalls under the Ogden Stadium, about a mile north-east. For the life of me, I can't understand why people aren't standing in line to snatch up these wonderful properties, in downtown Ogden's historic "hood."

Lynze Wardle offers this interesting tidbit:

Unfortunately, not everyone has the "urban pioneering spirit" to buy a home in one of Ogden's older neighborhoods, said Terra Venture Realtor Sue Wilkerson.
You said a mouthful, Sue. Our gentle readers should take note that these are the words of a real-estate professional. She works in the business of real estate, and knows what she's talking about. I think she hits the nail on the head when she brings up the "frontier" analogy.

The problem here is plain and simple. These projects are entirely inappropriate for the neighborhoods in which they're situated. No real estate developer or investor in their right mind would build such projects themselves on their own dime, because very little market for such properties exists. What they're after is the public money.

It's the same old story every time the government central planners take charge of things. Being entirely oblivious to real-world market forces, and having no personal stake in weighing the risk against the reward, they throw millions of dollars of public money into the hands of construction contractors, architects, lawyers, bond-dealers and the whole motley group, and build residential taj mahals on 28th and Lincoln Avenue -- and lower 25th Street. Undeterred by their present failures, they nevertheless blindly persevere. Phase two of the Union Square project is scheduled on Wall Avenue in the near future, we're told, and the Lincoln Townhomes second phase is on the drawing board, too. The problem, of course, is that it's the taxpayers who are left holding the bag.

Now I know I'll be catching some flak about this article. Some folks will say, "Well, at least they're doing something!" And to that I would just say, "If you're speeding along at top speed in the wrong direction, just exactly where do you end up?"

And to those who ask whether I have a better plan to offer, I'll invoke the old cowboy proverb: "If you're standing in a hole...first, quit digging." What we're doing now is plainly not working.

My complements go out to reporters Wright and Wardle for their two excellent articles. It was a tough task your editors gave you, my friends, trying to put a positive slant on what any sensible person would see as abject failure.

And to those gentle Weber County Forum readers who are eligible to vote, I'll just say this: We have a city council that's turned a deaf ear to the citizens of Ogden. There's a "wisdom of the crowd" that's entirely ignored. There are two council incumbent candidates who rubber-stamp every administration proposal that lands on their desk, including some of the above-mentioned projects. They've been putty in the developers' hands. They've abdicated their duties as citizen watchdogs. They will continue blunder along, unless summarily turned out of office. I don't care who you vote for; just don't vote for Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee.

And if you have any doubt about what to do when you get into the voting booth -- think about Ogden city's downtown mudhole.

Comments?

17 comments:

Anonymous said...

Here is a link showing some of them. I found the contact for Legacy Park very interesting.

Single Family Affordable

Anonymous said...

The real hero's of Emerald City are the people like Donna Seager who was also written about in this morning's SubStandard .

Dr. Floyd was a crusty old and brilliant physician and master medical detective. Those who didn't know him well were surprised at him starting this clinic. Those of us who did weren't.

Donna carries on in very difficult circumstances to do what truly is important in our town. Those difficult circumstances include operating in a place with a city government that is racist and cold and calculating in its attempt to rid the city of the poor, the working poor, the welfare poor, the pension poor and most of all any persons of color.

God bless Donna Seager and the leagion of other humanitarians with heart that live in the land of Oz. We are not all arrogant and elitist skiers or wizards hiding behind curtains pulling levers.

Anonymous said...

I think it's good that the Standard is getting into these issues in this way. And did you notice? There is now a sidebar of related news articles, at least there was one on the two articles referenced here.

Very helpful, to check one's memory and also see how these things evolve.

Anonymous said...

LOCATION-LOCATION-LOCATION

The old adage at play here. Why buy a condo, townhouse, or house if it's in the wrong location. Read the newspaper articles and the common thread of most of the comments, from those who have purchased these properties, is "crime," or at least a history thereof.

Our stretched thin Mayor hasn't sold his East Bench home and in a "pioneering spirit" purchased one of these new units, to set an example for the good citizens of Ogden. Neither has Stu Reid; in fact, this guy has yet to BUY a property in town, and with his severance package, Own In Ogden, and his new contract, he could probably afford one of these nice condos he advocated and talked the City into building. Doesn't make much sense to re-hire the guy, with the loyality he's shown. But at least, "he's doing something!"

Price usually drives the real estate engine, but Location is oh so important. Besides the crime element, what's there for a family to do in one of these places, besides keeping a close eye on the kids and starving the guard dog so it'll stay alert and mean. And as Rudizink offers, on we go, planning more and more downtown living quarters, the hell with the previous results.

A family living environment needs to be established, prior to any influx of Buyers coming aboard and bringing their families. Pioneering in a family living sense expired with the pioneers, and I doubt any sensible person is willing to leave his fully fenced Rambler/Ranch that is located in a peaceful, serene neighborhood to move downtown in some pioneering spirit buzz. Even with the offer of a free horse stable beneath the grandstand at old Ogden Stadium.

These areas need commercial and recreational development. Once accomplished, then maybe bring some of these other ideas on-line. City Hall should get the sequence right before pouring millions of tax payers dollars into anymore downtown living projects.

With a little luck, we'll be able to lure a few more ski companies to town, maybe some golf and other outdoor friendly businesses to boot (these enterprises seem to be in vogue right now and they're working-Ogdenites love the great Outdoors from the ski runs to the Golf Courses to the Trail and Hiking Systems). The City should also aid our new friends, who have re-located here from South of the Border, in setting up some "San Diego Old Town" or "Olvero Street-L.A." type areas that reflect their beautiful culture. These are good people, enterprising people, people who want to better themselves and live under the banner of Democracy and free enterprise, a people who make-up 30% of our city's population. Such an area, or areas would bring customers to their stores, restaurants, and cantinas in droves. It would be a festive atmosphere, Fiesta Time all the time.

The City should streamline the development and building process through infrastructure and easy to follow guidelines, controlled through reasonable zoning and ordinance. This then would encourage these various businesses, both the ones who have shown an interest in locating in Ogden, especially downtown, and the newcomers who are keeping a watchful eye on where the city is going. And I have a feeling they're out there, watching and waiting, as the only place Ogden has to go is UP!

Once properly applied, I think we could sit back and watch private enterprise rehabilitate our downtown, without alot of governmental interference and rules and regulations. Before long, PROGRESS. An aray of business, people, culture, and entertainment. Maybe then, downtown living would become more receptive. Until then, nobody will want to live in a condo overlooking the dirt parcel that was once the mall or what they see from the balconies of Union Square.

Somebody has to get the sequence right. Maybe, as Rudi suggests, it'll take the election of some new people. So far, the old gaurd just seems to be doing the same old thing and offering alibies when the projects fail rather than thoughts of inspiration.

Anonymous said...

Yo Bob g!

Hey man we gotta find a way to hook up. I have a hell of deal for you on a very nice Temple right in the heart of Salt Lake City!

This one won't last buddy, better hurry.

Anonymous said...

It's so amazing that anything Bob Geiger says is given a negative connotation by some.

What might you be doing to help out Ogden, whoever you are?

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Anonymous said...

Floyd Seager was anything but "crusty." He was a gentleman physician.

Anonymous said...

I'm quite sure that were Bob Geiger to tender a reasonable offer to David Allen, he'd have the townhouse of his choice put under contract.

Also, I agree, I doubt that Roosters would lift the skirts of a New York millionaire over his head.

However, I don't see how his ideas are to be piggybacked by either the poor and/or the minorities.

I have to give this young man an A for effort. He's got an extremely positive attitude about the progress that can be made in downtown Ogden, and his company Descente may just be a catylist in that direction. We should LISTEN carefully to what he has to say, understand that all is not gospel nor is all of it lies. His is an enthusiasm, that through proper management and adjustments, can be an asset to Ogden's downtown rehabilitation.

We need a few more like him, men with ideas and a positive attitude, to help us grow out of the state of decline that we're in.

I say, "good on ya, Bob. Easy does it, but keep with the ideas." We need more thinkers and doers from the private sector.

faithanddustin said...

I agree with that.

Anonymous said...

The Mummy lives!

Anonymous said...

Ozboy,
Before you rattle off a bunch of jibberish why don't you look into
the individual accomplishments of the people you slander.
What are you doing for ogden, besides comparing it to an 82 Chevy Monaco.
If you are so disgusted with Ogden,
Why don't you leave and go somewhere that you actually want to live?

Anonymous said...

OzBoy offers first an apology to Brenda. I used the word "crusty" with utmost respect in describing Dr. Seager. The Dr. I knew was pretty outspoken and sure of what he said. He didn't seem to suffer fools well. I have fond memories of that great man.

To Johnny d. I say before you rattle off a bunch of jibberish why don't you tell us all about the individual accomplishments of the people you defend. Tell us how many world class resorts the son in law has built. Tell us of the great business accomplishments of the Lord Mayor, Tell us how the Geigers built the $700 million dollar company for the Samauri of Osaka. Tell us about all the profitable enterprises Stu (the biz genius Read) has built.

If you do, I will eat my words and offer a sincere apology to all innocent and offended victims of my scribblings.

What I am doing for Ogden, besides comparing it to an 82 Chevy Monaco, is pay it one hell of a lot of money each year in taxes and various fees. This is a part of the equation that you and a whole lot of the Lift Ogden group probably don't know to much about.

Most free loaders and grifters usually don't understand anything about picking up the tab. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you personally was a grifter or free loader, but there are a lot of people promoting this gondola that are.

I am not disgusted with Ogden and I ainta goin nowhere! I am however pretty tired of this elitist
circle of rich folks and ski bums that want to accumulate a pile of fancy toys and snooker the common folks into paying for them.

If private enterprise pays the tab, the whole tab and nothing but the tab, then I am all for them building either gondola, the resort and hell, I'll throw in the dumb ass Rec Center as well!

But not one red cent of public money should go toward these toys and amusement park rides.

If the city has a big old pile of extra money they ought to send some of it over to Donna Seager or the Marshall White Center or the real Union Station to put it to some decent and honest use.

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faithanddustin said...

Hey Ozboy,
I certainly am no eletist-rich-boy-skier. That is actually the furthest thing from who I am. I just want to see Ogden in a better place and believe that this is the route. Many Lift Ogden members are in the same boat as I am.

Anonymous said...

I agree fully with the concerns expressed about Ogden City's tone-deaf building of condo projects where market demand hasn't been demonstrated.

However, what no one has pointed out is that Colonial Court, which is only four blocks from 25th Street, is fully rented, largely by retired stake presidents and Bishop Reid. Rented, not owned, I realize. But this shows that under the right circumstances, conservative Weber County citizens will gladly move downtown.

Considering that in 3 years Salt Lake and its job market will be only a sleek train ride away, now would seem to be a terrific time to invest in Union Square. (As a matter of fact, SLC is already easily and gently accessible through UTA's excellent express buses one block away.)

Thanks to ROD for pointing out what is painfully obvious but previously unexpressed here: Come on, Mayor, back up your cheerleading with action: move your own family down here. Or at least show your face on Saturday mornings. I have never been on 25th Street on a Saturday morning without seeing business development manager Scott Brown, but I have never seen Mayor Godfrey or Bishop Reid.

Let me go out on a limb here: by making a conscious effort to give more of our business to downtown Ogden's restaurants, shops, and entertainment venues, we could collectively make a huge difference in its revival -- the increased business would feed on itself, more entrepreneurs would start businesses, and we wouldn't even have to wait around for the Gang o' Six to do whatever the hell they think their job is. (Work in Salt Lake if you must, but play and spend in Ogden!)

Anonymous said...

An interesting article reagreding WalMart and the people is in today's paper. Seems that once again, the citizens have been left in the dark by the City, in that the Mayor and Safsten feel they have no information in which to update the good people with. So, houses have gone unattended, slid into a state of disrepair, all the while awaiting for the City to excerise its option to buy.

Of course, the City can't buy these houses at this time, but they probably could have held a meeting down there to let the people know what was up. Safsten mentions that they could have used the Internet.

Another story of like kind came to me at Saturday's Mexican Indepence Day Fiesta. A fine lady, having been offered a nice chunk of money for her house on the Riverwalk Project, put another property under contract and Closed on the transaction, because the City told her she would be paid for her Riverfront house by January. The City, of course, renegged, and now the poor gal's stuck with 2 mortgages plus a home equity line that helped with her down payment on the new property. No word, no nothing, from the City.

Is this a great place, or what?

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