Tuesday, July 22, 2008

Powder Mountain Update: Ogden Valley Forum Double Header

Read the revised Kimball Wheatley Manifesto; together with some savvy negotiation tips from Eden resident Steve Clarke

For those WCF readers closely following developments in the Powder Mountain saga, we'd like to direct your attention to yesterday's article on Ogden Valley Forum, from which we incorporate Blogmeister Valley's lead paragraphs below:

This morning we are posting what may very well be TWO of the best pieces of Ogden Valley literature to appear on our pages during our entire 2+ year history.
You may recall the Kimball Wheatley Manifesto, which graced our forum in February. We thought it so important, that we gave it a semi - permanent home on our right column. Well, Mr. Wheatley has one upped himself and we present to you "Act II." In addition to Mr. Wheatley being a "Citizen of Ogden Valley and the United States of America," he is an Ogden Valley advocate and former Planning Commission member.
In part two of this mornings double header, Eden resident Steve Clarke weighs in on the Powderville proposal with his expert analysis. In addition to Mr. Clarke’s role as Ogden Valley Advocate, Steve is the Chairman of the GEM Committee, a recommending body to Weber County. Steve offers some negotiation points that he feels Weber County cannot cave on in his very strategic and tactful style.
Follow the link below to read the full article, which indeed presents some thoughtful discussion and analysis:

A Powderville double header with Analysis by Steve Clarke and Kimball Wheatley.

And whatever you do... don't let the cat get your tongues.


Tsk said...

Obama said:

October 22nd, 2006

"Given the deteriorating situation, it is clear at this point that we cannot, through putting in more troops or maintaining the presence that we have, expect that somehow the situation is going to improve."

January 10th, 2007

"I am not persuaded that 20,000 additional troops in Iraq is going to solve the sectarian violence there. In fact, I think it will do the reverse."

July 18th, 2007

"My assessment is that the surge has not worked and we will not see a different report eight weeks from now."

November 11th, 2007.

"Finally, in 2006-2007 we started to see that even after an election George Bush continued to want to pursue a course that didn't withdraw troops from Iraq but actually doubled up and initiated the search. To not see improvements but could actually worsen the potential situation."

January 5th, 2008

"And I said at the time when I opposed the surge that given how wonderful our troops perform, if we place 30,000 more troops in there, then we would see an improvement in the security situation and we would see a reduction in the violence."

July 4th, 2008

"I think it is indisputable that we've seen violence reduced in Iraq. I also think the surge has reduced violence and provided breathing room, extraordinary work that our troops have done. They have performed brilliantly throughout the process and obviously I'm very pleased to see the reductions in violence that occurred over the last several months. There's no doubt that because of their heroism and their outstanding work, we had the opportunity to salvage the situation."

You might remember Obama being against the surge, but you should also remember that he actually proposed legislation to stop it. The Iraq war de-escalation act of 2007. This is something he sponsored. He called for all troops to be gone by March 31st, 2008. It would have literally guaranteed defeat and Iraq would still be in chaos.

He called the surge a reckless escalation. So if you think that Obama is right now, it's only because he was so incredibly wrong then.

Where is the outrage? Why is no one asking Obama to explain standing in front of his "Mission Failed" banner.

JSK said...

The Recent News about Obama's supposed aligning view with Maliki's withdrawl timeline is a complete myth...

Maliki said Obama's timeline is reasonable and preferable AS LONG AS VIOLENCE DOES NOT RESURGE!

Obama's Proposal is and has always been, leave No Matter the situation.

If Obama's legislation had passed the surge would not have happened and Iraq would still be in Chaos. I don't disagree with a timeline now that things have calmed down, but why is no one on Obama's back for standing in front of the "war is lost" banner just last year?

Wade said...


So I take it you're not voting for Obama?

jsk said...

No... I am undecided, but its between McCain and Barr... I am torn on several issues.

I forgot a couple...

July 2004

"There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage.”

July 21, 2008 on Nightline

When asked if he is committed to winning the war in Iraq, Obama said, "I don't think we have any choice. We have to win the broader war against terror that threatens America and its interests."

So far this month, five U.S. troops have been killed in combat, compared with 78 U.S. deaths last July. Attacks across the country are down more than 80 percent. Still, when asked if knowing what he knows now, he would support the surge, the senator said NO.

And last but not least... Maliki's full quote:

SPIEGEL: Would you hazard a prediction as to when most of the US troops will finally leave Iraq?

Maliki: As soon as possible, as far as we’re concerned. US presidential candidate Barack Obama is right when he talks about 16 months. Assuming that positive developments continue, this is about the same time period that corresponds to our wishes.

Catherine Feeny said...

I agreed with all the previous comments of condolence posted on the WCF with the sad news of the passing of Sharon Beech, but I would like to add my tribute to her before we say our last goodbyes and pay our last respects at the Ogden Lindquist Mortuary tonight from 6;00 p.m.to 8:00 p.m. p.m.,or at her funeral services at her ward chapel at 1401 Country Hills Drive.
I have missed her observations so very much, as has everyone,I'm sure, these last months of her illness while she has been unable to blog. Her comments were especially insightful and succinct, always in good taste,and wonderfully knowledgeable, appropriate and well-written. I first became acquainted with her from her blogging and was delighted to meet her and find that in person she was the same lovely, witty, and charming lady who was such a pleasure to know. I'm just so sorry that our friendship was cut short.

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Ima Moron said...

This website sucks.

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