Wednesday, November 05, 2008

2008 Election Results - Invitation to an Election Post-mortem Discussion

Complete 2008 election results - everything from U.S. President to the local dogcatcher

For those Weber County Forum readers who'd like to engage in a 2008 General Election post mortem discussion, we'll provide a some useful web links this morning which fully summarize the unofficial results of yesterday's election.

First, here's a link to the cumulative outcome in Weber County, as reported by the Weber County Election Department website:

Election Summary Report - Summary For Jurisdiction Wide, All Counters, All Races

The Salt Lake Tribune also has an easy to read summary of all races statewide, complete with handy little bar graphs and everything. Click on a county in the right-hand column and then select a category in the tabs at the top:

Utah's Top Races & County by County

And for those readers fixated on national politics, we believe this New York Times web page provides the ideal starting point. Lots of good stuff here, including McCain and Obama's respective concession and victory speeches. Click the Senate, House, Governors and State Results links for robust information on the results in all those categories. If any single web resource can be considered one stop shopping for 2008 U.S. election results... this is it:

NYTimes - 2008 Election Results

Have at it, O Gentle Ones...


Brett said...

The election results were a mixed bag for most of us, but I was excited about the results in the State Representative races in Districts 9 and 10. Congratulations to Neil Hansen and Brent Wallis! In this humble blogger's opinion, Ogden, Weber County and all of the Top of Utah will be well served with these two representative.

ozboy said...

I hereby nominate Davis County to be the reddest county in the reddest state in America. Utah county has generally been accepted as the king of this particular hill, but after yesterday's 74% straight GOP party voting by the sheep of Davis I think we deserve the honor and ridicule and arrogance in county leadership and unchecked property tax increases and incompetence in county administration that goes along with this title.

Makes this former republican wanna puke.

ET said...

Speaking of post election updates, did any of you hear about that study that Anderson Cooper and Soledad O'Brien/CNN with Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman/MSNBC are co-sponsoring? A study of how much Mormon Mafia Money was shipped into states accross the USA, with Propostions on Gay Civil Rights pending??? I hear that California got the biggest chunk.


Let there be no mistake. Neil Hansen's victory in District 9 is a thumb in the eye of Chief Greiner, who organized Jeremy Peterson's GOP campaign, convinced The Utah and Weber County GOP parties and other contributors to waste 24 grand toward ousting Hansen...

All because Greiner loves ticket quotas.

Expect a new ticket quota banning bill early in the 2009 legislature.

One of these days our state legislature will get it right.

Kudos also to Hansen for leading the latest Legislative 9 GOP "sheep to the slaughter."


Speedmeister said...

We were at the Ogden Traffic Court hearing for a 7 mph (while the wife was actively braking) "speeding ticket" in the trap the UDOT has set up on Harrison infront of the Ogden HS.

The little old lady sitting next to us also had a ticket from Ogden's finest for proceeding through an intersection with a stop light covered by a tarp.

We love paying for these quota fillers for overzealous cops. Impeach Greiner!

And I agree totally with OZboy. What evil additive are the people in Davis Co. drinking? Perhaps some "adult beverages" are in order?

ET said...

Additional News Break:

The MSNBC crew is mashing through incoming info on the NEW Republican National Leadership. Romney is leading Palin. I was so disappointed. I really expected.............NEW.

googlegirl said...

"GOP New"

ET said...

FLAKE Jeff Flake?

I thought I was going to get a hot tip on:

MORE MMM (not the 3 Mouseketeers,.... silly!...see above........) Carpet Bagged into southern Califronia, to prop up continued Gay Bashing statewide.

Dorothy Littrell said...


I can sleep better knowing that you represent us instead of Jeremy Peterson!

And that Obama is our replacement for President George W. Bush.

Things finally do change if you hang on long enough.

I have the utmost repect for you, Neil, because you try to do what is right for all of us. So few people will do that.

Dorothy Littrell said...

And a P.S. -

Thanks to those of you who posted condolences to me and my children on the passing of Ralph Littrell.

Ralph was also a tireless fighter for constitutional rights.

Victor Hugo said...

ON the national scene, it is put up of shut up for the Democrats. We will see if they are willing to seriously try to fix Heath Care, Immigration, Social Security, Energy, and all of those "3rd Rail" issues that the congress under both Parties have avoided confronting the last 30 years. One of the things they should do is increase the top income tax rate for those over $2 million income to about 70% instead of 39%. That would give all those pseudo liberals in Hollywood and Sports an opportunity to donate their millions to help share the wealth.

Elise said...

Morning Again in America

Curmudgeon said...


The Republicans, in the last two years, filibustered more bills than the Democrats did in the previous six years [when the Rs were in the majority and held the presidency].

How much can be done will depend, to some extent, on the Rs meaning at least a part of all the mewling they've been doing since the vote came in about the importance of governing in a bi-partisan way. If they opt to filibuster any bill in which they do not get everything they want, it's going to be a very stormy term.

ET said...

Elise, thanks for MAIA link. New to me. I enjoyed it and share those sentiments too.

Bill C. said...

Curm, judging from the post election comments of Hatch and Bennet, little cooperation can be expected from the remaining r's in Washington. It was embarrasing to listen to the both of them. The r's that lost were moderates, the ones left are the worst their pitifull party has to offer.
I know we've discussed the mis-use of the term carpet bagger before, and after researching I agree with you to a great extent, forgive me for the mis-use in the following statement. It's time for Utah to be rid of the selfserving Pennsylvanian carpet bagger masquerading as an intermountain area representative of the people of Utah in the senate, Orrin has to go, he's beyond pathetic.
Sadly, Utah Co. has given us a new future embarrasment neocon twit to replace Cannon, no suprize there.

Curmudgeon said...


Right. Hatch went immediately to partisan attack on Obama and the new Democratic majorities, saying it was going to get "ugly." But what can you expect from a state and party that returned a senate nomination to Sen. Buttars and then returned him by election to the Senate. Which means another four years of Buttars embarrassing Utah with his antics gleefully reported nationally.

Have to wonder if Hatch even bothered to watch McCain's gracious concession speech and the themes it hit: we are all Americans, America faces grave problems, and we all need to pull together to assist our... OUR... new president to deal with them.

Except Hatch of course.

screw hatch and bennett said...

Hatch is too busy writing church songs ans sucking on the tax payers teat.

Curmudgeon said...


And here's a bit of bipartisanship, politely so called, from Chafitz, the new R. Congressman from Utah:

On the heels of the GOP's electoral thumping nationally, Chaffetz said he wishes President-elect Barack Obama well but will not stand by while the Democrats push their agenda.
"As he tries to bring us closer to socialism," Chaffetz warned, "I will be a strong voice in opposition."

disgusted said...

is there something in the water down there

exterminator said...

Rat Poison

Curmudgeon said...

ON the Allen Campaign in Dist. 10:

There are few districts outside of SLC in which Dem legislative candidates are competitive with Rep ones. It hurts to lose one of them, particularly one that's been in the Dem column for the last decade. But that's what happened in the 10th District Tuesday night.

So we [WCDems] need, I think, to understand why it happened. I know here at WCF the interpretation is likely to be that Allen's being the Mayor's father-in-law and his full-throated support for the gondola did it. Without doubt, that shifted some normally Dem and Independent voters to his opponent, Wallis who so far as I know took no position on the gondola at all.

But on the other hand just as certainly, it also shifted votes that might normally have gone to the Republican candidate to Allen instead... all the Mayor's friends and relations [and he seems to have more than Rabbit in Winnie-the-Pooh] and others we can call, I guess, the Envision bloc. I suspect those two groups --- anti-gondolistas and pro-gondolistas about cancelled each other out.

I also suspect from general conversations over the last month or two, and shameless eaves dropping at coffee shoppes and restaurants about town, that a very small slice of the electorate shares WCF's continuing obsession with a gondola that most folks think is a dead issue.

What a Dem candidate who is not an incumbent needs to do in a district like the 10th with an edge in Republican registrations, then, is to provide Middle of the Road Republicans [MORs] a reason to vote for him instead of their party's nominee. He needs to clearly differentiate himself from the Republican candidate on at least one issue about which the MORs care deeply. Lou Shurtliff did that last year on school vouchers. She was strongly opposed; her opponent was visibly for, and MOR Republicans cared, a lot, and agreed with Lou and crossed over to vote for her.

Allen never managed to do that, never managed to sharply differentiate himself from his opponent on any issue, really, much less on one that mattered a great deal to MOR Republicans. And so they voted their party's choice, and he lost a very close vote, and the seat passed to the Republicans.

It will be difficult to win it back in two years. Mr. Wallis will have the advantage of incumbency, which is a very great advantage. And next time, hordes of new voters, disposed to vote Dem, will not be turning out because there will be no presidential race and no Obama on the ballot to bring them out.

Still, there are some things the WCDems ought to begin doing and doing now. The oppo research on Wallis needs to begin now. Every vote he casts in the legislature, on every bill, every committee vote, needs to be recorded as they happen. A Wallis file needs to be opened now, and filled with all his votes as he makes them. None of us know what issues will be hot two years from now, and going back to do oppo research over the preceding two years in the short term of an election is very time consuming, and involves playing catch up. If the work is done bit by bit, day by day, it's available if something goes hot two years from now and can be part of the campaign from the start. Maybe nothing will. But fortune favors the prepared.

And whoever runs next time needs to, must, clearly differentiate him or her self on an issue of passionate concern to the MOR Republicans. A mushy middle motherhood, apple pie and the flag campaign can work (a)if you are the incumbent and (b) if the majority of registered voters are in your party and (c) if your opponent is not clearly different from you on a major issue your party voters care about. It doesn't work if you're the challenger and of the minority party.

The Utah Dems cannot afford to lose seats outside of SLC like the one Lou held to Republicans and hope ever to be competitive statewide.

what will it cost us said...

Comment moved to new thread

ozboy said...

Mr. Curmudgeon

I noticed that in your evaluation on why Allen lost you mentioned most everything but the real reason. It was about integrity and Allen's problem was the perception that he is rather short in that department. I definitely agree with this sentiment. He's an elitist Godfreyite phony regardless of which party he is in.

Hopefully this election was the beginning of washing this self dealing cabal out of our hair once and for all. If the nation can elect Obama surely Ogden can do better than Godfrey and his mentor Allen.

Curmudgeon said...


It may have been the issue for you, Oz, and for the policy wonks who post here as a rule, but in my shameless eavesdropping around town on conversations about the election, I didn't hear anyone talking about Allen's integrity as an issue, or for that matter, the gondola. I think, Oz, you are assuming... and lots of posters here do... that the general electorate as a whole lot better informed about the day to day operations of city government and Godfrey politics than, in fact, they are. Difficult though it may be to believe, I think probably 90% of the electorate does not need a daily dose of Godfrey bashing and analyses of Godfrey's relatives' politics and integrity to make their days complete. Really.

monotreme said...

Here's your damn Bradley Effect.


Curmudgeon said...

Thanks for the link.
I've been talking to a Dem. campaign mgr in another state, who says all the talking heads have, for the most part, missed the real significance [in party terms] of the election: the Democrats have taken three of the states of the former confederacy... of the once solid Democratic south that became the solid Republican south following Nixon's southern strategy.

I'm not sure he's right, since the Va, NC and FLa only went weakly Dem. But still, given recent voting patterns in the old confederacy, it is worth noting. And worth noting too that the Rs did not pick off the only Democratic incumbent thought to be vulnerable: Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who won re-election though her state went Red by a 6 to 4 margin.

Oh Bother! said...

The Dow is down 1000 pts, NASDAQ down 100 and the S&P also down 10 more percent or so.

All since Obama was elected.

Prior to his election, the market seemed to actually begin to recover from a bottom of about 8,200 for the DOW.

And it is very easy to predict that we are headed for a bottom in the mid to low 7,000 range or worse thanks to Obama's "solutions" for the economy. The market does not and has never appreciated the Donkey scubala preached by them.

Any concerns? Anyone else watching their life savings disappear and have any concerns about that?! Or is everyone still obsessed with Gondolas and Godfrey piss ants? Local piss ants while the elephants are running over all of us....

PS Brilliant post election arm chair analysis. And very good advice should anyone want to run for office by Curm. Right on.

Curmudgeon said...

Oh Brother;

He's been president elect two days. Mr. Bush is still in office and his appointees are still running things, and will for another two and a half months. The market dropped from 14K to 8K well before the election. The notion that what's happening in the market now, all around the world, is the result of Obama's election is nonsense. The Market has been volatile.... four hundred plus point swings, mostly down... for many months now. And there has been more bad economic news in the last 48 hours. Thousands more layoffs announced. New drops in orders for durable goods. Lousy profits reports. More grim predictions for the Xmas selling season for everyone but Wal-Mart. I suspect the latest drops were at least in some way related to the cascade of continuing bad news. Get a grip.

I'm very worried about what's happening in the market and the economy in general. But I had no faith what-so-ever in putting into the drivers seat for the next four years a president from the same party that ran things into the ground over the last eight. And relatively more faith in new people and a new approach to what constitutes the best working relationship under these circumstances between government and the market economy.

And there isn't going to be a quick fix. The problems are widespread, deep, global and are going to take time to work through intelligently. And, given the repeated demonstrated incompetence of the existing administration across a lot of fronts, I have considerably more faith that the incoming administration will be more competent at what it attempts. It could hardly be less so.

Frank said...


I am always amazed at how you are so willing to shred the Bush administration and never give them any credit or benefit of the doubt, yet you are always Johny on the spot to come to the defense of the Godfrey group and give them every conceivable benefit of any possible doubt. In my observations Godfrey is cut from the same cloth as Bush. They are both arrogant Republicans. They are both relatively dumb. They both go to great lengths to enrich their friends at the expense of the public. They both have screwed up their respective jobs and constituents. They both lie to the public at most every turn. Yet you almost always defend Godfrey and virtually always attack Bush. What gives with you, do you just like to argue and demonstrate your own supposed superior intellect? As far as I can see both of these supposed leaders are more or less lying losers yet you only seem willing to vilify the one but not the other.

Curmudgeon said...


If you've been reading WCF for a while, you must have noticed my frequent and repeated criticism over the last several years, here, of Godfrey's cronyism, his weak grip on standards of ethical conduct for public men, his arrogant contempt for the Council [displayed over the years on several occasions], his poor judgment, particularly [but not exclusively] involving the foolish flatland gondola scheme, the fact that his word's no good, and his bumbling ineptitude at public administration. How that all adds up in your view to my being "always johnny on the spot to come to the defense of the Godfrey group" escapes me. Anyone who thinks that I "almost always defend Godfrey" cannot have been reading WCF very long.

Said before, often, and will say again now: when he screws up, as he does, often, call him out on it. Hard. I have and expect to again. But when he does something well, or when he's criticized unfairly.... and he has done some good things, and he has, here, been at times unfairly criticized... then I have as great an obligation to say that. And I do. But on the whole, I've done far more criticizing of Godfrey and his Gaggle here than I have defending. I don't think the Godfrey Gaggle counts me as one of their number. Or ever have.

ozboy said...

Mr. Curmudgeon

While what you posted above is true, I also think there might be a bit of truth in Frank's post.

It would be interesting if the blog could actually tally up your defenses of Godfrey as compared to your criticism. My impression is that you stick up for him more than you stick him. Regardless of which you are doing in any given post, you always do so with a great deal of rational thought well stated. Keep it up, your posts elevate the general WCF IQ significantly.

Curmudgeon said...

Aw, Oz, thanks for the unsolicited testimonial. [Your money will be left in the place we agreed on by noon tomorrow.]

ozboy said...

Mr Curmudgeon

Be sure to wear your pink fuzzy Obama slippers and make sure its all in unmarked one dollar bills.

That was our deal.

Polly said...

Another point of view: Election results: Obama wins!

Machster said...

"The market dropped from 14K to 8K well before the election. The notion that what's happening in the market now, all around the world, is the result of Obama's election is nonsense. The Market has been volatile.... four hundred plus point swings, mostly down... for many months now." Curm

Although a little late, the above posting by Curm is so much male bovine excrement, I can not stand it. And I think he might well know it too.

The stock market tries and has always tried to operate at 'six month to nine months' ahead schedule. The September and October and now November market collapse began in Bill Clinton's first term when he signed a bill passed by the democratic majority authorizing "Communities to guarantee housing loans to people would simply could not afford them". It was a noble, but as usual BAD IDEA, as was "Don't ask - don't tell", nationalized health care and many other liberal and democratic left agendas.

The chickens came home to roost on the financial markets much later, thanks to the Clinton/Democrat agenda. And yes, it was never corrected by the Republicans or Clinton or "the Shrub", after the GOP mounted an election coup in '94. A plague on all their houses and shame on them.

Bottom line, the Market began seeing ahead to an Obama victory many - many months before September 08. That is what they do. And what they saw was a high probability of a Democratically controlled Congress and a Democrat in the Executive office. And while that might be considered ideal for social and "fairness" issues... for economic and business expansion and prosperity, unemployment/job creation, financial security, etc....well the market has and will continue to speak.

"EEJITS" (or the ill informed or ignorant)...will believe that the crush and crash we are seeing now was the result of the Bush administration. And they will very likely swallow the notion that the GOP caused all this mess. Hell, I even bought into it a little bit. But truth is simply the truth. Facts simply are... And all the spin and accusations and recriminations will be settled by historians in the clarity of hindsight. So rest easy all you librocrats out there. I am one of you by the way.

And come Spring and/or Summer 09, there will be a lot of people on both sides left unhappy and upset. Traditionally, weak "leadership" will rely on scapegoating and focusing anger, distrust and disappointment upon an already unpopular figurehead...

So I see the Obama administration and media collaboration doing the standard "blame the previous administration" on everything they are either incapable or unwilling to "Change". This is nothing if not dishonest. And I for one hope I am wrong and Obama stands up to the Democratic "leadership" and says "NO", We are going to do things differently for a "Change". We are going to rise above traditional politics and focus instead on what is right without regard to what Pelosi and Reid and the others who surround him will try to sell. No focus groups, no what will get me reelected next term and no scapegoating. Let's just do what is right by America and by Americans.

Curm, please use your considerable mental clarity to see the truth as it is and do not try to continue with this standard line of scubala. "That it is all the Yale Cheerleader's fault". The issues facing our Country will require the best and brightest minds to focus on serious solutions and not on political talking points meaded out by those who would insult our collective intelligence and try to lead by BS caused by emotional over-ride on rational intellegent thought and careful consideration of the FACTS versus blind "hysteria" and emotional brain tilt/farts.

Our future depends on some serious redirection and "change", and I for one could care less if the left or right happens to be in office or power or gets any "credit" or "points". We are, dare I say it?, desperate for solutions and correct decisions based upon facts... not spin nor political BS.

PS Encouraged by the changes made in the Utah Legislature. But still concerned that we may be witnessing more of just manipulative crap from the same element in Utah culture under different names and personalities. More "spin" and PR" to mask the nauseaus corruption and graft which is VERY real in SLC at the Capital building. A litmus test will be very serious ethics and campaign finance reform. Without quick and postiive action this session we will know the answer clearly. Don't ya think?

Machster said...

Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read 'Vote Obama, I need the money.' I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on a 'Obama 08' tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence.

When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.

I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.

At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.

I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.


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